(August 9, 2015 at 2:51 am)Little Rik Wrote:(August 9, 2015 at 2:02 am)Nestor Wrote: Consciousness develops and degenerates with brain functionality, as experienced in the growth from infancy and childhood to adulthood and old age; it is affected by disease, chemical alteration induced by drugs, which, again, involve changes of physiology in the brain. Or, if you hit your head really hard, you can lose consciousness. Yet, if your brain is wholly destroyed, you believe it could continue? Not only is that completely inconsistent with the facts observed in those cases of relatively minor damage or change I suggested above, but, how could that even be possible? If it is not physical, how do material bodies affect its motion? What explanation, apart from its physicality, can account for its correlation to the structure of the brain and bodily functions such as heart rate, etc.? Those amount to the probable inference that dissolution of the brain, like its formation, is the extremity of conscious experience...
If you mistreat your body it is obvious that also your consciousness will be affected.
It is like if you mistreat your vehicle.
How can you proceed with a damage vehicle?
You can loose a lot of consciousness but you also can expand your consciousness
provided you treat your body-brain properly so your first point make sense.
What doesn't make sense is your guessing that if the brain die also the consciousness die.
There is anything thing that really die and disappear in this universe?
If you study physics you should know that nothing die or disappear so why the consciousness
should die and disappear?
By the way the consciousness is not made of matter like the brain so how can something
abstract can be killed?
Quote:unless your willing to claim that you possessed consciousness prior to birth; if not, why would you continue to retain it after death? What's the difference?
Mine is a believe not a claim.
My believe is that there is a very good reason why we can't remember our previous lives.
In this life we find difficult, annoying and frustration to think about our past mistakes and
bad thing that we have done.
At times we just think that would be better if we never done certain things but is too late.
The problem however is that we just can't get rid from our mind these things from the past.
It is a burden to us.
Now just imagine if on the top of our mistakes in this life we also have to deal with mistakes from previous lives and lives before that.
It would be an absolute hell that is why we are prevented from remember anything from previous lives.
Someone understand the problem therefore this entity prevent us from remembering.
Nice claims. Let's see some evidence.
Beliefs not claims, you say? A belief becomes a claim the moment you give it voice. You are making claims. Prove them.
You claim that the consciousness does not die when the brain does. That is a positive claim. Prove it.
You claim that reincarnation exists and is a thing that happens. That is a positive claim. Prove it.
You claim there is an entity with the power to wipe our memories between lives. That is a positive claim. Prove it.
Until you have proof, you're just making fun of others for not believing that dragons splooged on your homework.
Nice misappropriation of the Law of Conservation of Matter and Energy, by the way. You learn that from Deepak Chopra? Consciousness is the result of matter and energy, but it is not itself matter or energy. Consciousness is a process of the brain, and when the brain stops producing it, it stops happening. The matter and energy in the brain are still there, but they're no longer being used to generate consciousness. Nothing disappears, nothing is lost, and yet the process stops.
Verbatim from the mouth of Jesus (retranslated from a retranslation of a copy of a copy):
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42)
Also, I has a website: www.RedbeardThePink.com
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42)
Also, I has a website: www.RedbeardThePink.com