(August 15, 2015 at 6:54 am)Psychonaut Wrote:(August 15, 2015 at 6:16 am)abaris Wrote: There's a deeper problem with the "does god...?" threads in these forums. One that I came to fully understand only yesterday, when I had a conversation here with one of our better theists. He obviously can't wrap his mind around the fact that when we say god, we do so in a metaphorical way, really talking about the people, who set him up, created him.
I tried to explain, but I think it's one of the reasons why they always say we're mad at god, we're critizising god's morality and so on, while all the way, we don't believe there is a god. Only peope who created a set of religious rules for their time and their region.
Right, but this is why I included the modifiers:
"I've often heard theists"
"According to the monogod religions"
"Or is that a consequence believers"
The question, on analysis is clearly framed as a hypothetical, and at most, a query directed at believers about their beliefs.
Edit:
If certain theists can't understand that, I'll put it down to the fact that they either:
A) have a poor grasp on the English
B) have a poor grasp on reality
C) both A and B
When you make up the questions, biased to your own predetermined thoughts, then you can also and do make up the consequences, which means what in reality, absolutely nothing, you're exercising mental gymnastics and that's the whole story. If you actually want to discuss the God of the Bible and the Bible itself one needs to stay with what it says throughout it's entirety, not through your cherry picking and unreasonably made up definitions. If you all haven't taken the hint yet the Christians and Muslims here have quit biting at your nonsense, we are awaiting you to show some kind of intelligent ability to a actually argue the Bible. In a real debate on a stage you would look so foolish, even to your fellow atheist.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.