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RE: Does God know what hell feels like?
August 15, 2015 at 9:26 am
(August 15, 2015 at 6:54 am)Psychonaut Wrote: (August 15, 2015 at 6:16 am)abaris Wrote: There's a deeper problem with the "does god...?" threads in these forums. One that I came to fully understand only yesterday, when I had a conversation here with one of our better theists. He obviously can't wrap his mind around the fact that when we say god, we do so in a metaphorical way, really talking about the people, who set him up, created him.
I tried to explain, but I think it's one of the reasons why they always say we're mad at god, we're critizising god's morality and so on, while all the way, we don't believe there is a god. Only peope who created a set of religious rules for their time and their region.
Right, but this is why I included the modifiers:
"I've often heard theists"
"According to the monogod religions"
"Or is that a consequence believers"
The question, on analysis is clearly framed as a hypothetical, and at most, a query directed at believers about their beliefs.
Edit:
If certain theists can't understand that, I'll put it down to the fact that they either:
A) have a poor grasp on the English
B) have a poor grasp on reality
C) both A and B
When you make up the questions, biased to your own predetermined thoughts, then you can also and do make up the consequences, which means what in reality, absolutely nothing, you're exercising mental gymnastics and that's the whole story. If you actually want to discuss the God of the Bible and the Bible itself one needs to stay with what it says throughout it's entirety, not through your cherry picking and unreasonably made up definitions. If you all haven't taken the hint yet the Christians and Muslims here have quit biting at your nonsense, we are awaiting you to show some kind of intelligent ability to a actually argue the Bible. In a real debate on a stage you would look so foolish, even to your fellow atheist.
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RE: Does God know what hell feels like?
August 15, 2015 at 10:48 am
Jesus plausibly was in hell following the crucifixion and then until the resurrection. Some of the christers here don't think he was, but it seems logical he was, and purchasing Salvation via his torments in hell for the subsequent lucky believers.
If the Jesus was singed a bit in the fiery lake, I'm sure he told dad about it.
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RE: Does God know what hell feels like?
August 15, 2015 at 12:34 pm
Yep, omniscience is just a stupid idea.
And one that could never be proven, even if god turned up and slapped his dick in my face. How could he possibly prove it?
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RE: Does God know what hell feels like?
August 15, 2015 at 2:53 pm
(August 15, 2015 at 10:48 am)vorlon13 Wrote: If the Jesus was singed a bit in the fiery lake, I'm sure he told dad about it.
They're the same person, so god was in hell. This has to be, otherwise we aren't the monotheists we pose as, and that would be embarrassing, so fuck logic, better save face.
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RE: Does God know what hell feels like?
August 15, 2015 at 3:32 pm
There is:
no God;
no hell;
no what-it-feels-like to be in hell.
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RE: Does God know what hell feels like?
August 16, 2015 at 12:53 am
Sure he knows, that is why the descriptor being cast into a fire was used by Jesus to describe Hell. Hello isn't a fire per say, but the emotional and psylogical response one experiences when literally being consumed by Hell fire/the darkness of Hell, is the most intensively negative thing we can possible hope to endure, which in this life is fire. Hell fire however is far worse than fire, but being consumed by fire is the closest thing we could ever know.
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RE: Does God know what hell feels like?
August 16, 2015 at 12:58 am
(August 16, 2015 at 12:53 am)Drich Wrote: Sure he knows, that is why the descriptor being cast into a fire was used by Jesus to describe Hell. Hello isn't a fire per say, but the emotional and psylogical response one experiences when literally being consumed by Hell fire/the darkness of Hell, is the most intensively negative thing we can possible hope to endure, which in this life is fire. Hell fire however is far worse than fire, but being consumed by fire is the closest thing we could ever know.
What a bunch of fictionally created hooey.
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RE: Does God know what hell feels like?
August 16, 2015 at 1:09 am
One way or another time will tell.
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RE: Does God know what hell feels like?
August 16, 2015 at 1:14 am
(August 16, 2015 at 1:09 am)Drich Wrote: One way or another time will tell.
If you would start with that instead of stating fictional concepts, we would all be better for it.
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RE: Does God know what hell feels like?
August 16, 2015 at 1:24 am
(August 15, 2015 at 9:26 am)Godschild Wrote: When you make up the questions, biased to your own predetermined thoughts, then you can also and do make up the consequences, which means what in reality, absolutely nothing, you're exercising mental gymnastics and that's the whole story. If you actually want to discuss the God of the Bible and the Bible itself one needs to stay with what it says throughout it's entirety, not through your cherry picking and unreasonably made up definitions. If you all haven't taken the hint yet the Christians and Muslims here have quit biting at your nonsense, we are awaiting you to show some kind of intelligent ability to a actually argue the Bible. In a real debate on a stage you would look so foolish, even to your fellow atheist.
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In what way is it biased? Because it may lead to uncomfortable regions?
Absolutely childish.
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