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Homophobia. A misleading label
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RE: Homophobia. A misleading label
(October 29, 2010 at 6:32 am)LastPoet Wrote:
(October 29, 2010 at 2:54 am)Saerules Wrote: I rather think he's rather philosophically secure. "Rationalizations" are good... would you prefer he not at least try to understand why he is the way he is? I find that if you ask 'why?' enough times... you discover that all of your reasons are based on faith. I don't think homophobia is a bad thing, in and of itself. My insectophobia isn't necessarily a bad thing either. It is only in context of some situations that we can really show either of these to have been bad... or good... and conditions can just as easily exist for these to be good things as they do for the bad things.

Remember... genocide can easily be the very best decision that could be made. Though one must be very creative in the use of it, and there are usually better options, rape too can be the best decision. Failing that, such things can remain very good decisions. I would try not to throw away tools with unusual applications, and rather store them some distance away from your usual tools. But then, it might be better for me if you don't know that they are available to you in the first place Wink

I understand that Sae, some phobias do not affect one's life much, some might prove to be just annoying. But like I said, defining feelings with other words won't really take away phobias, it may somewhat work in the short run, but knowing phobias like I do, avoiding the core issues (the 'whys' like you said) only gets the problem agravated. IMHO he should adress his homophobia directly, but in an non emotional basis.

I think it would be much better to not be in terror of things that really can't harm me (most insects). Most gay people wouldn't harm Dotard in any way. The only benefit phobias of such things can be expected to provide is odd cases like helping avoid Malaria and rape. Given the low likelihood of either in America... unless I intended to travel to some place like Brazil: I would personally consider it beneficial to be rid of my insectophobia.

I rather don't fully understand why Dotard is discomforted by gays (though I have several ideas as to why, it could easily be a combination of the lot, or something else entirely)... but I also certainly don't see why he should experience comfort or non-concern with their presence either.
Existentialist Wrote:A threesome!

If this continues we'll eradicate homophobia in no time! (like smallpox)

Would not even consider it until my transformation is complete, or at least to the point where I might treat it as so.

Evie Wrote:Phobias are fucking stupid and 'bad' is a meaningless term (well, almost meaningless. Bad= "I don't like"). And by 'fucking stupid' I mean that they are both irrational (by definition) and that I am also expressing myself at the fact that I despair at the irrational patheticness in general of humanity and at the fact that humans are supposed to be the fucking most intelligent species we (as humans!) know of.

Something doesn't have to be rational for it to be of benefit to you. Hell, if a superpowerful alien race wants to think of my poor race as gods worthy of all their technology... I"m going to fucking take them up on it. Good and bad are not necessarily meaningless... they are of subjective meaning. This could be interpreted to anyone as anything from containing all the meaning they posses... to meaning nothing. And a phobia can benefit you. In most cases it will be a hinderance, but the possibility of benefit remains open to gamblers.

Irrational patheticness? If you've really got such a problem with humankind's intellectual capacity... maybe you should rework schools. Ie:

And there are a number of more reasons for that. Single most beneficial long-term plan I've yet to find, though there are other things that can be done to aid making people less nonrational and/or 'pathetic'.

Can you imagine how intelligent the people who first made computers were? I took apart one from the early 1990's today, and helped a friend fix it. I, for one, am very impressed by the incredible intelligence that some of my species has shown in what they have built. And most people, while not incredibly smart, are also not stupid. And among the population that isn't genius level, there are people with other talents or benefits. Use the human population effectively, and your complaints about how 'pathetic' it is should stop very quickly. Thinking

Quote:The most intelligent people in the world.... are idiots.

They're merely the least idiotic.

Once they get elitist and secure in their beliefs, they sure can waste that intelligence. People that are not so intelligent do it too. But even I don't view other people so fatally.
(October 29, 2010 at 10:37 am)Skipper Wrote:
(October 29, 2010 at 2:54 am)Saerules Wrote: I don't think homophobia is a bad thing, in and of itself. My insectophobia isn't necessarily a bad thing either.

But the "phobias" don't mean the same thing do they!? Homophobia is widely excepted as the term for negative attitudes and prejudice against gay people. How is that in any way "not a bad thing"?!?!?

Widely accepted does not mean correct. Islam and Christianity are both VERY widely accepted... shall we take to translating those religions as correct now? I certainly don't think so.

If I am a leader of a nation, it can be a VERY GOOD THING that my people despise my neighbors. Especially if I am a powerful nation and my neighbors less so. That's one way it is not a bad thing... and there are many more.

Quote:Three Americans now on here seem to be defending homophobia, as "ok" or the "norm". Either im misunderstanding something or America needs to sort it's shit out.

You're misunderstanding something, but America does need to sort a fair amount of shit out.

Syna Wrote:And I am fairly certain too that women have had irrational fears that come and go where the irrational thought that a guy who they have no reason to believe will harm them might violate them.

Funnily enough... sometimes a person can have a lack of fear when they are given plenty of reason to fear. Trust feels safer, but is less safe than distrust.
Please give me a home where cloud buffalo roam
Where the dear and the strangers can play
Where sometimes is heard a discouraging word
But the skies are not stormy all day
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Messages In This Thread
Homophobia. A misleading label - by Dotard - October 26, 2010 at 10:58 pm
RE: Homophobia. A misleading label - by KawaiiKoneko - October 27, 2010 at 12:54 am
RE: Homophobia. A misleading label - by Existentialist - October 27, 2010 at 2:43 am
RE: Homophobia. A misleading label - by Dotard - October 27, 2010 at 8:13 am
RE: Homophobia. A misleading label - by Existentialist - October 27, 2010 at 5:50 pm
RE: Homophobia. A misleading label - by fr0d0 - October 27, 2010 at 3:50 am
RE: Homophobia. A misleading label - by Shinylight - October 27, 2010 at 5:26 am
RE: Homophobia. A misleading label - by Autumnlicious - October 27, 2010 at 5:48 am
RE: Homophobia. A misleading label - by Dotard - October 27, 2010 at 8:28 am
RE: Homophobia. A misleading label - by ib.me.ub - October 27, 2010 at 6:21 am
RE: Homophobia. A misleading label - by Edwardo Piet - October 27, 2010 at 7:54 am
RE: Homophobia. A misleading label - by Violet - October 27, 2010 at 8:19 am
RE: Homophobia. A misleading label - by fr0d0 - October 27, 2010 at 8:29 am
RE: Homophobia. A misleading label - by Violet - October 27, 2010 at 8:31 am
RE: Homophobia. A misleading label - by Dotard - October 27, 2010 at 8:51 am
RE: Homophobia. A misleading label - by fr0d0 - October 27, 2010 at 8:34 am
RE: Homophobia. A misleading label - by Shell B - October 27, 2010 at 8:37 am
RE: Homophobia. A misleading label - by fr0d0 - October 27, 2010 at 8:52 am
RE: Homophobia. A misleading label - by Violet - October 27, 2010 at 8:44 am
RE: Homophobia. A misleading label - by Shell B - October 27, 2010 at 8:46 am
RE: Homophobia. A misleading label - by Violet - October 27, 2010 at 8:48 am
RE: Homophobia. A misleading label - by Shell B - October 27, 2010 at 8:50 am
RE: Homophobia. A misleading label - by Violet - October 27, 2010 at 8:52 am
RE: Homophobia. A misleading label - by Shell B - October 27, 2010 at 8:55 am
RE: Homophobia. A misleading label - by Violet - October 27, 2010 at 9:06 am
RE: Homophobia. A misleading label - by downbeatplumb - October 27, 2010 at 9:27 am
RE: Homophobia. A misleading label - by Violet - October 27, 2010 at 6:17 pm
RE: Homophobia. A misleading label - by chasm - October 27, 2010 at 6:22 pm
RE: Homophobia. A misleading label - by DeistPaladin - October 27, 2010 at 10:49 am
RE: Homophobia. A misleading label - by Dotard - October 27, 2010 at 3:26 pm
RE: Homophobia. A misleading label - by DeistPaladin - October 27, 2010 at 3:48 pm
RE: Homophobia. A misleading label - by Dotard - October 27, 2010 at 6:01 pm
RE: Homophobia. A misleading label - by DeistPaladin - October 27, 2010 at 8:57 pm
RE: Homophobia. A misleading label - by Skipper - October 27, 2010 at 11:14 am
RE: Homophobia. A misleading label - by chasm - October 27, 2010 at 2:31 pm
RE: Homophobia. A misleading label - by Autumnlicious - October 27, 2010 at 3:21 pm
RE: Homophobia. A misleading label - by Skipper - October 27, 2010 at 3:55 pm
RE: Homophobia. A misleading label - by Cerrone - October 27, 2010 at 4:07 pm
RE: Homophobia. A misleading label - by DeistPaladin - October 27, 2010 at 5:21 pm
RE: Homophobia. A misleading label - by HeyItsZeus - October 27, 2010 at 4:18 pm
RE: Homophobia. A misleading label - by Anomalocaris - October 27, 2010 at 4:36 pm
RE: Homophobia. A misleading label - by Cerrone - October 27, 2010 at 4:47 pm
RE: Homophobia. A misleading label - by The Omnissiunt One - October 27, 2010 at 5:32 pm
RE: Homophobia. A misleading label - by Anomalocaris - October 27, 2010 at 5:32 pm
RE: Homophobia. A misleading label - by Violet - October 27, 2010 at 6:25 pm
RE: Homophobia. A misleading label - by Autumnlicious - October 27, 2010 at 8:30 pm
RE: Homophobia. A misleading label - by Skipper - October 28, 2010 at 7:50 am
RE: Homophobia. A misleading label - by Violet - October 29, 2010 at 2:54 am
RE: Homophobia. A misleading label - by LastPoet - October 29, 2010 at 6:32 am
RE: Homophobia. A misleading label - by Violet - October 30, 2010 at 1:21 am
RE: Homophobia. A misleading label - by Skipper - October 30, 2010 at 7:44 am
RE: Homophobia. A misleading label - by Skipper - October 29, 2010 at 10:37 am
RE: Homophobia. A misleading label - by Edwardo Piet - October 29, 2010 at 11:03 am
RE: Homophobia. A misleading label - by Autumnlicious - October 29, 2010 at 3:33 pm
RE: Homophobia. A misleading label - by Skipper - October 29, 2010 at 9:40 pm
RE: Homophobia. A misleading label - by Existentialist - October 29, 2010 at 10:36 pm
RE: Homophobia. A misleading label - by Existentialist - October 29, 2010 at 7:01 pm
RE: Homophobia. A misleading label - by DeistPaladin - October 29, 2010 at 7:36 pm
RE: Homophobia. A misleading label - by Existentialist - October 29, 2010 at 7:46 pm
RE: Homophobia. A misleading label - by Dotard - October 29, 2010 at 9:08 pm
RE: Homophobia. A misleading label - by Existentialist - October 29, 2010 at 9:09 pm
RE: Homophobia. A misleading label - by DeistPaladin - October 29, 2010 at 9:19 pm
RE: Homophobia. A misleading label - by Dotard - October 30, 2010 at 6:56 am
RE: Homophobia. A misleading label - by Violet - October 27, 2010 at 8:37 pm
RE: Homophobia. A misleading label - by fr0d0 - October 27, 2010 at 10:42 pm
RE: Homophobia. A misleading label - by LastPoet - October 28, 2010 at 8:45 am
RE: Homophobia. A misleading label - by Autumnlicious - October 29, 2010 at 5:55 am
RE: Homophobia. A misleading label - by Violet - October 29, 2010 at 5:57 am
RE: Homophobia. A misleading label - by Zen Badger - October 29, 2010 at 7:59 am
RE: Homophobia. A misleading label - by Dotard - October 29, 2010 at 9:16 pm
RE: Homophobia. A misleading label - by Edwardo Piet - October 29, 2010 at 10:21 am
RE: Homophobia. A misleading label - by Violet - October 30, 2010 at 9:06 am

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