(October 28, 2010 at 7:50 am)Skipper Wrote:

(October 27, 2010 at 8:30 pm)Synackaon Wrote:

(October 27, 2010 at 3:55 pm)Skipper Wrote: I assume you're either from a different country or different era. Same goes to original poster, get over it man, your clear disliking of homosexuals for no reason other than that they are homosexual is exactly what homophobia is, dissect the word as much as you like and try and convince yourself you're not as much as you like but it's a horrible prejudice regardless of what you want to label it.

Up yours asshole. I also used to be afraid of the water. I must be from a different era. I also used to be afraid of strangers. I must be from a different era.

Did I fucking say it was fucking reasonable? No. So fuck you and your psychobabble.

Piss off. Being afraid of water and strangers are reasonable fears due to their possible dangers. How is a persons sexual preference ever a danger to you? Do you feel any more or less secure or safe in yourself around a heterosexual? So why should you feel any different around a homosexual?

They perceive it as a possible danger. There is also the practical danger that if someone is a rapist, and are given a choice between someone they are attracted to, and someone they are not, I do not believe there will ever be a case where they will choose the unattractive prospect.

People feel safer around those like themselves... it's a known element, usually predictable. If they are dishonest, and know they are in a den of thieves, they can feel secure in not trusting them.

Quote:Maybe not from a different era, but certainly from a different country.

Syna's American. Dotard is American. I am American. No idea where you're from, but I hear that in other countries they eat and drink the foulest of things known to humans, and appear to enjoy them. Odd people, those non-Americans.

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(October 28, 2010 at 8:45 am)LastPoet Wrote: Boys, behave!

Dotard, observing your argumentation along this thread, it all looks you are doing apologetics for homophobia. So many rationalizations only avoid the problem, and IMO worsen, since I think homophobia is a bad thing. Rationalize into the problem, not out of it.

I rather think he's rather philosophically secure. "Rationalizations" are good... would you prefer he not at least try to understand why he is the way he is? I find that if you ask 'why?' enough times... you discover that all of your reasons are based on faith. I don't think homophobia is a bad thing, in and of itself. My insectophobia isn't necessarily a bad thing either. It is only in context of some situations that we can really show either of these to have been bad... or good... and conditions can just as easily exist for these to be good things as they do for the bad things.

Remember... genocide can easily be the very best decision that could be made. Though one must be very creative in the use of it, and there are usually better options, rape too can be the best decision. Failing that, such things can remain very good decisions. I would try not to throw away tools with unusual applications, and rather store them some distance away from your usual tools. But then, it might be better for me if you don't know that they are available to you in the first place

I've decided that 'good' can be redefined to anything. Barbeque waffle kerplump Lincoln.

(October 29, 2010 at 5:55 am)Synackaon Wrote: I've decided that 'good' can be redefined to anything. Barbeque waffle kerplump Lincoln.

By perhaps anyone

We are lucky that we usually come to agree approximately on definitions ^_^

(October 29, 2010 at 2:54 am)Saerules Wrote: I rather think he's rather philosophically secure. "Rationalizations" are good... would you prefer he not at least try to understand why he is the way he is? I find that if you ask 'why?' enough times... you discover that all of your reasons are based on faith. I don't think homophobia is a bad thing, in and of itself. My insectophobia isn't necessarily a bad thing either. It is only in context of some situations that we can really show either of these to have been bad... or good... and conditions can just as easily exist for these to be good things as they do for the bad things.

Remember... genocide can easily be the very best decision that could be made. Though one must be very creative in the use of it, and there are usually better options, rape too can be the best decision. Failing that, such things can remain very good decisions. I would try not to throw away tools with unusual applications, and rather store them some distance away from your usual tools. But then, it might be better for me if you don't know that they are available to you in the first place

I understand that Sae, some phobias do not affect one's life much, some might prove to be just annoying. But like I said, defining feelings with other words won't really take away phobias, it may somewhat work in the short run, but knowing phobias like I do, avoiding the core issues (the 'whys' like you said) only gets the problem agravated. IMHO he should adress his homophobia directly, but in an non emotional basis.

I have interacted with homosexuals(male and female) on several levels, I've even had a boss who was homosexual.

I feel that to discriminate against someone for something that occupies about 1% of their day to day lives is silly.

I will make the point that I am turned off by watching two men have sex(or even kissing) but, by the same token I'm also turned off by watching two old people have sex.

That doesn't mean I think it's wrong, it just means I don't wish to watch it.

And yes, before anyone asks, I do like girl on girl. I'm not perfect, but I know what I like.

Homophobia as 'merely' a phobia and not to mean 'anti-homosexuality' is still fucking stupid. Phobias are irrational fears and fucking stupid. Any phobia I have myself is also fucking stupid.... we, as humans, stupidly have ridiculous fears that make no fucking sense whatsoever.

(October 29, 2010 at 2:54 am)Saerules Wrote: I don't think homophobia is a bad thing, in and of itself. My insectophobia isn't necessarily a bad thing either.

But the "phobias" don't mean the same thing do they!? Homophobia is widely excepted as the term for negative attitudes and prejudice against gay people. How is that in any way "not a bad thing"?!?!?

Three Americans now on here seem to be defending homophobia, as "ok" or the "norm". Either im misunderstanding something or America needs to sort it's shit out.

(October 29, 2010 at 2:54 am)Saerules Wrote: I don't think homophobia is a bad thing, in and of itself. My insectophobia isn't necessarily a bad thing either.

Phobias are fucking stupid and 'bad' is a meaningless term (well, almost meaningless. Bad= "I don't like"). And by 'fucking stupid' I mean that they are both irrational (by definition) and that I am also expressing myself at the fact that I despair at the irrational patheticness in general of humanity and at the fact that humans are supposed to be the fucking most intelligent species we (as humans!) know of.

The most intelligent people in the world.... are idiots.

They're merely the least idiotic.

(October 29, 2010 at 10:37 am)Skipper Wrote:

(October 29, 2010 at 2:54 am)Saerules Wrote: I don't think homophobia is a bad thing, in and of itself. My insectophobia isn't necessarily a bad thing either.

But the "phobias" don't mean the same thing do they!? Homophobia is widely excepted as the term for negative attitudes and prejudice against gay people. How is that in any way "not a bad thing"?!?!?

Three Americans now on here seem to be defending homophobia, as "ok" or the "norm". Either im misunderstanding something or America needs to sort it's shit out.

Please get this through your head - when I said homophobia was considered the norm, I was stating a fact of culture. Under no circumstances did I say it was right, rational or should be.

You have willfully misinterpreted what I've clearly said, so let me be perfectly blunt. Homophobia as a phobia is irrational. Irrationality is irrational. Controlling irrationality comes with understanding.

The public has got away with not understanding gays - so their homophobia will be the norm. When it changes, it changes. But don't go placing shit on other people just because they observed something poignant.

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And I am fairly certain too that women have had irrational fears that come and go where the irrational thought that a guy who they have no reason to believe will harm them might violate them. Well, turns out us guys also have our irrational thoughts - I every now and then worry that I might be violated by others. It's just the irrational side of human nature. I control it. I expect nothing less from others.

(October 29, 2010 at 10:37 am)Skipper Wrote: Three Americans now on here seem to be defending homophobia, as "ok" or the "norm".

A threesome!

If this continues we'll eradicate homophobia in no time! (like smallpox)