(August 24, 2015 at 7:29 pm)pocaracas Wrote:(August 24, 2015 at 6:30 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: A good chunk...maybe 75% or so, accept the Five Minimal Facts which I posted in another thread.errr.... 75% of scholars accept the Five Minimal Facts?... well, considering that more than 90% are christian believers, I'm not surprised.
But that wasn't the question.
My english must be a bit off, every once in a while...
Concerning the historical Jesus that atheist and theist scholars accept existed, what did he do?
Or rather, what do they agree that he did?
I don't want your evidences nor your facts... I want their evidences. I want to know what makes them say that such a person existed and what did that person do.
Because, if we are to assume a man lived in the Jerusalem Area, a preacher, who gathered a following and who died for claiming to be the leader of this cult, then... that description also fits the Teacher of righteousness.
(August 24, 2015 at 6:30 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: This is a multi-step process, poca.
1. Provide evidence that Jesus existed. (A bigger ordeal than I imagined early on given the absurdity of mythicism.)
2. Provide evidence that Jesus was resurrected. (This is based on indirect evidence and based on probabilities and not certainties.)
3. Provide an argument that if Jesus rose from the dead, then his claims of divinity are worthy of consideration.
Maybe there are probably other steps...but you get the idea.
Getting past step one is a huge hurdle in this forum.
Of course it is...
It seems to me that you want to settle step 1 through a means that would invalidate both steps 2 and 3... would you not keep them separate... that's why we keep bringing everything together for you.
If you want to know what Jesus said and did, you can learn these things by reading the gospels. Have you done this recently?
