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Core Message Of Christianity Isn't One Of Love
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RE: Core Message Of Christianity Isn't One Of Love
(August 27, 2015 at 1:53 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote:
(August 27, 2015 at 12:22 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: ...And the "Christians" who do this, are certainly not acting in a loving way and are merely using any excuse they can to be bullies. That is wrong, and that is NOT love. Love does not mean abusing people on purpose only because you feel you can "demand" forgiveness afterwards. Any sane person who tries to do this and calls it love, is being dishonest to themselves.

As for your second point, love doesn't necessarily mean liking someone and having good feelings about them. You are right, that would be phony, because we can't possibly feel that way about everyone. But love, in the sense us Christians (ought) to mean when we say things like "love your enemy", is not a feeling, it's a decision and an action. We love our enemy by acting kind to them, forgiving them even if they are not sorry, not seeking revenge against them, and treating them with respect. Those are all actions, not feelings. 

My favorite thing that Jesus said was this: 

"Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you. To one who strikes you on the cheek, offer the other also, and from one who takes away your cloak do not withhold your tunic either. Give to everyone who begs from you, and from one who takes away your goods do not demand them back. And as you wish that others would do to you, do so to them. If you only love those who love you, what benefit is that to you? For even tax collectors love those who love them. And if you only do good to those who do good to you, what benefit is that to you? For even tax collectors do the same. But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return."

^THIS should be a Christian's understanding of love, straight from the Man Himself, and is also one of the most fundamental and important Christian message. So when a Christian uses "love" to mean anything other than the above, or to act in a way that is not loving, he/she is not acting on the teachings of Christ.

Jesus said when someone strikes on one cheek to turn to him the other cheek also. That’s not the passive walking away that most people take it to mean. He is saying we should actively offer our other cheek for the person to strike.

I see those people down in South Carolina forgiving Dylan Roof for killing their loved ones and I know that is not an example of love that I want to follow. I don’t feel that I have the right to forgive someone for what they did to someone else. There’s a lot in the Christian message that I just don’t accept and the things are do accept are not things that I can’t get from somewhere else. The precepts of Ma’at tell me not to be the cause of the shedding of tears. A friend on the internet advised me not to get into a mud fight with a pig because the pig will like the mud. My own heart is instructed by all the experiences that I’ve inventoried and analyzed.  Again there is nothing about the Christian message that is either unique or compelling.

Well the interpretation of the turn the other cheek stance isn't literally to allow someone to keep hitting you lol. It's more about not returning insult with insult, and instead, to respond to the person with love and humility.   

That's fair enough! You can believe what makes sense to you, of course. Shy
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly." 

-walsh
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RE: Core Message Of Christianity Isn't One Of Love - by c172 - August 26, 2015 at 10:05 am
RE: Core Message Of Christianity Isn't One Of Love - by Catholic_Lady - August 27, 2015 at 1:58 pm
Duplicate - by Rhondazvous - August 29, 2015 at 10:47 am

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