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Core Message Of Christianity Isn't One Of Love
RE: Core Message Of Christianity Isn't One Of Love
(August 29, 2015 at 10:46 am)Rhondazvous Wrote: We must also not forget that There is no mention of hell in the Old Testament. Some translations use the word hell but if you  look in a linear bible you will note that the original word is just talking about the grave, not the place of torment. Jesus was an apocalyptic Jew and taught concepts that you won't find among the prophets like the bosom of Abraham and the resurrection.  think I'm wrong, then show me in the Ot examples of a general resurrection.  Remember David said if he descended to hell god would be there, then someone else said there is no remembrance of god in the grave. The Bible is such that anybody who finds support for anything can be accused of cherry picking by anyone who finds support for the opposite view.

The Canaanite woman tells us nothing of Jesus view toward gentiles. He called them dogs and told his disciples not to give the dogs what belongs to the children. He told his disciples that the reason he spoke in parables was so that they who were without would not be able to understand him and repent and be forgiven.  I'm not a Jew nor a gentile so I know he would consider me to be an outsider and hide from me the knowledge that would lead me to forgiveness. No matter what you say, I've already read what he said, or at least what the biblical writers said he said.
I'm fairly sure the Old Testament speaks of Sheol, or Hades, which to the ancients was the Underworld (because it was under the earth, or so they thought) and it basically served the purpose of heaven and hell - people are judged for their actions in life, the good rest in peace, and the bad are tortured and enslaved. Jesus taught this as well, in his story about the rich man and Lazarus, citing a river that divides the half containing the pious from those that are wicked. The early Christians even devoted an entire myth to Jesus going down to Hades to preach the Gospel so that all of the righteous Hebrews of old could be saved to partake in the future Resurrection. Even as "late" as the turn of the third century, Christian theologians taught that when you die, you go to Hades, or Abraham's bosom as they now called it, and you wait there until the Day of Judgment. When that occurs, the world supposedly goes to shit, the unbelievers are cast into hell, or the the lake of fire, and the Christians get to dwell in the new Jerusalem where Jesus reigns as monarch.
He who loves God cannot endeavour that God should love him in return - Baruch Spinoza
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RE: Core Message Of Christianity Isn't One Of Love - by c172 - August 26, 2015 at 10:05 am
RE: Core Message Of Christianity Isn't One Of Love - by Mudhammam - August 30, 2015 at 3:28 am
Duplicate - by Rhondazvous - August 29, 2015 at 10:47 am

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