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What the hell is a 'soul' anyway?
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RE: What the hell is a 'soul' anyway?
(August 30, 2015 at 10:57 am)Whateverist the White Wrote: I just make this shit up.  Your welcome.

But it was the concept of "soul" which I was addressing, not personhood or personality.  So I'm firmly on speculative ground, nothing very sciency about it, no journals to quote.  However there is a nice video on youtube based on a TED talk by Ian McGilchist about the divided brain theory that informs my speculation.

https://youtu.be/dFs9WO2B8uI

yes but you said the personality forms before consciousness, but they actually form simultaneously after birth. And the soul the way we understand it different from personality, its something inherent to a person's existence from conception on, so that's why I say it determines personhood. Will see the video and comment on it.

(August 30, 2015 at 3:29 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote:
(August 29, 2015 at 2:22 am)Ronkonkoma Wrote: The term soul was first introduced by the Greek philosophers. Its the immaterial part of you, a part of the immaterial world.

The Greek philosophers realized that Mathematics is also a part of the immaterial world.

The soul, like math, has no weight or mass, you can't see it and it doesn't alter light.

Like math, you can study its effects because the soul gives human life its fundamental essence and value.

This concept became more refined after Christian teaching met the philosophies of Plato, Aristoteles, and Socrates.

The human soul houses the core of human desire, and as such is an important basis of our understanding of personhood.

This has implications on human dignity, human rights, responsibilities, and freedom. If you ignore these things, you see important implications, the culmination of which are the Gulags of the Soviet Union for instance, or the Holocaust, or the carpet bombing of Dresden and perhaps the destruction of Hiroshima.  

All these things (dignity, rights, responsibilities, freedom), like the soul, are immaterial.

Value, like the soul, is also immaterial.

Value can generate bills of money from seemingly "nothing". In material terms, a stack of bills is nothing but paper. But money can be put to use to alter material things, such as the great cathedrals and churches of Europe, which are direct expressions on the effect of the soul on matter.

Similarly, persons in material terms are seemingly nothing but DNA, or ribonucleic acids, but they can generate ideas, hopes and dreams, and put values into reality. Say for example, I value my kids, I can alter reality by reading to them at night. I made that value a reality in the irreversible past. DNA can't do that. On the other hand, our material brain is the most complex thing we know of in the entire universe. In material terms there is no way that we have any idea what a thought, or a value, or a soul is.

Good night, kids.

Evidence for all the bare assertions of the properties of souls, please.
what kind of evidence do you want? Do you want the mass of the soul? It's weight, height? Does tha smyt sound silly to you?

ok so you will say, that means the soul foes not exist
and I will say that kind of thinking is dangerous. Very dangerous, along the lines of the death of 200 000 persons a year in our country in the abortion mills for example, and the selling of their parts for profit. In a fee country where freedom is unopposed by responsibility, and human rights are just a vague term floating in the air. And people are asking for physical proofs of the soul which is ludicrous to me.
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What the hell is a 'soul' anyway? - by Lucanus - August 27, 2015 at 7:01 am
RE: What the hell is a 'soul' anyway? - by Ashground - August 27, 2015 at 7:04 am
RE: What the hell is a 'soul' anyway? - by robvalue - August 27, 2015 at 7:09 am
RE: What the hell is a 'soul' anyway? - by Lucanus - August 27, 2015 at 7:14 am
RE: What the hell is a 'soul' anyway? - by IATIA - August 30, 2015 at 11:04 am
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RE: What the hell is a 'soul' anyway? - by abaris - August 27, 2015 at 7:14 am
RE: What the hell is a 'soul' anyway? - by Longhorn - August 27, 2015 at 7:20 am
RE: What the hell is a 'soul' anyway? - by Lucanus - August 27, 2015 at 7:22 am
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RE: What the hell is a 'soul' anyway? - by Kingpin - August 27, 2015 at 8:48 am
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RE: What the hell is a 'soul' anyway? - by Jenny A - August 27, 2015 at 10:06 pm
RE: What the hell is a 'soul' anyway? - by Lucanus - August 28, 2015 at 2:29 am
RE: What the hell is a 'soul' anyway? - by downbeatplumb - August 29, 2015 at 3:58 am
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RE: What the hell is a 'soul' anyway? - by ignoramus - August 28, 2015 at 3:48 am
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RE: What the hell is a 'soul' anyway? - by Lucanus - August 28, 2015 at 1:33 pm
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RE: What the hell is a 'soul' anyway? - by robvalue - August 28, 2015 at 1:52 pm
RE: What the hell is a 'soul' anyway? - by Whateverist - August 28, 2015 at 2:09 pm
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RE: What the hell is a 'soul' anyway? - by Lucanus - August 29, 2015 at 4:19 am
RE: What the hell is a 'soul' anyway? - by robvalue - August 29, 2015 at 1:30 am
RE: What the hell is a 'soul' anyway? - by Ronkonkoma - August 29, 2015 at 2:22 am
RE: What the hell is a 'soul' anyway? - by Lucanus - August 29, 2015 at 4:50 am
RE: What the hell is a 'soul' anyway? - by Ronkonkoma - August 29, 2015 at 11:19 pm
RE: What the hell is a 'soul' anyway? - by Lucanus - August 30, 2015 at 4:52 am
RE: What the hell is a 'soul' anyway? - by Ronkonkoma - August 30, 2015 at 7:05 pm
RE: What the hell is a 'soul' anyway? - by Cyberman - August 30, 2015 at 7:08 pm
RE: What the hell is a 'soul' anyway? - by Ronkonkoma - August 30, 2015 at 7:31 pm
RE: What the hell is a 'soul' anyway? - by Ravenshire - August 30, 2015 at 8:45 pm
RE: What the hell is a 'soul' anyway? - by Esquilax - August 30, 2015 at 7:29 pm
RE: What the hell is a 'soul' anyway? - by Whateverist - August 29, 2015 at 12:36 pm
RE: What the hell is a 'soul' anyway? - by Ronkonkoma - August 30, 2015 at 5:04 am
RE: What the hell is a 'soul' anyway? - by Whateverist - August 30, 2015 at 10:28 am
RE: What the hell is a 'soul' anyway? - by Ronkonkoma - August 30, 2015 at 10:54 am
RE: What the hell is a 'soul' anyway? - by Ravenshire - August 30, 2015 at 3:29 pm
RE: What the hell is a 'soul' anyway? - by robvalue - August 29, 2015 at 3:03 am
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RE: What the hell is a 'soul' anyway? - by robvalue - August 29, 2015 at 4:51 am
RE: What the hell is a 'soul' anyway? - by Lucanus - August 29, 2015 at 4:53 am
RE: What the hell is a 'soul' anyway? - by robvalue - August 29, 2015 at 4:55 am
RE: What the hell is a 'soul' anyway? - by Longhorn - August 29, 2015 at 8:05 am
RE: What the hell is a 'soul' anyway? - by Cyberman - August 29, 2015 at 6:41 am
RE: What the hell is a 'soul' anyway? - by ignoramus - August 29, 2015 at 8:02 am
RE: What the hell is a 'soul' anyway? - by robvalue - August 29, 2015 at 8:10 am
RE: What the hell is a 'soul' anyway? - by Whateverist - August 30, 2015 at 10:57 am
RE: What the hell is a 'soul' anyway? - by Ronkonkoma - August 30, 2015 at 7:12 pm
RE: What the hell is a 'soul' anyway? - by Ravenshire - August 30, 2015 at 8:44 pm
RE: What the hell is a 'soul' anyway? - by Whateverist - August 31, 2015 at 12:19 am
RE: What the hell is a 'soul' anyway? - by Ronkonkoma - September 1, 2015 at 2:15 pm
RE: What the hell is a 'soul' anyway? - by Lucanus - September 1, 2015 at 2:22 pm
RE: What the hell is a 'soul' anyway? - by Ronkonkoma - September 1, 2015 at 2:30 pm
RE: What the hell is a 'soul' anyway? - by Esquilax - September 1, 2015 at 6:31 pm
RE: What the hell is a 'soul' anyway? - by IATIA - September 3, 2015 at 5:55 pm
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RE: What the hell is a 'soul' anyway? - by thehedglin - August 30, 2015 at 7:52 pm
RE: What the hell is a 'soul' anyway? - by IATIA - August 30, 2015 at 11:41 pm
RE: What the hell is a 'soul' anyway? - by ignoramus - August 31, 2015 at 6:30 am
RE: What the hell is a 'soul' anyway? - by downbeatplumb - August 31, 2015 at 7:08 am
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RE: What the hell is a 'soul' anyway? - by Lucanus - August 31, 2015 at 8:37 am
RE: What the hell is a 'soul' anyway? - by Mudhammam - August 31, 2015 at 9:03 am
RE: What the hell is a 'soul' anyway? - by Paraselene - August 31, 2015 at 6:32 am
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RE: What the hell is a 'soul' anyway? - by Lucanus - September 1, 2015 at 4:00 pm
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RE: What the hell is a 'soul' anyway? - by IATIA - September 2, 2015 at 12:07 am
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RE: What the hell is a 'soul' anyway? - by IATIA - September 2, 2015 at 12:12 am
RE: What the hell is a 'soul' anyway? - by Cecelia - September 2, 2015 at 9:21 pm
RE: What the hell is a 'soul' anyway? - by Whateverist - September 2, 2015 at 11:03 pm
RE: What the hell is a 'soul' anyway? - by Cecelia - September 2, 2015 at 11:18 pm
RE: What the hell is a 'soul' anyway? - by robvalue - September 3, 2015 at 2:04 am
RE: What the hell is a 'soul' anyway? - by Pyrrho - September 3, 2015 at 11:28 am
RE: What the hell is a 'soul' anyway? - by thehedglin - September 3, 2015 at 11:33 am
RE: What the hell is a 'soul' anyway? - by Ravenshire - September 6, 2015 at 7:00 pm
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RE: What the hell is a 'soul' anyway? - by Whateverist - September 4, 2015 at 1:12 am
RE: What the hell is a 'soul' anyway? - by Ronkonkoma - September 7, 2015 at 4:28 am
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