RE: Can an Atheist argue someone out of faith?
November 6, 2010 at 10:51 am
(This post was last modified: November 6, 2010 at 10:53 am by Captain Scarlet.)
(November 6, 2010 at 8:37 am)Godschild Wrote: Other religious faiths have no satan, with them you only have to over come self, in the christian faith one must trust in God to over come the temptations of a being that has great powers than mankind. Satan knows each of our weaknesses and preys on them. He does not make us sin,that is our choice (freewill). Just as it is our choice to rely on God to over come the temptations put before us. Now please do not misunderstand me, Satan is often used as a scape goat for our on personal failures, when the blame falls squarely on our shoulders for not trusting God to help us, the sin is ours not satan's. As Jesus says satan has already had his judgement and found guilty before God.Don't understand your rejoinder on satan, but your response seems to indicate you will only believe what you want to anyaway.
As tack says not blind faith and I believe that he understands that I was not talking about blind faith. The faith that I am talking about and the faith that Jesus told Thomas about was not a blind faith. Jesus said do not tempt the Lord thy God, this is blind faith, God has given us the doctors, engineers, builders and ect. to be of assistance to the human race and not to take advantage of them would be foolish. Some of the examples you mentioned are faith based, when you drive over a bridge of any kind you are placing your faith (trust) in the designers, safety inspectors, construction company and ect. to do their jobs well, so that your trip over the bridge is safe and some of the other things you mentioned would have thesame faith applied to them. This faith is not a blind faith either you trust others to do what is right, just as I trust God to do what He has promised. I do pray for many things as part of my faith in God and that does included my own personal safety.
On faith. You can make up whatever explanation fits the evidence you want to see, your own level of conviction, the biblical quote mining you seem to think is important. Religious faith is faith is faith is faith and any distinction between it and blind faith is casuistry. The fact is when you want to argue faith is better than proof, you do; largely becuase there is not a jot of evidence for any of your claims (or for that matter any supernatural claims), and conveniently side step the faith issue on ANY other topic. You don't put your faith in engineers, you beleive they have precisely built and tested their work and have the evidence of other cars successfully crossing the bridge; therefore you rely on empricism NOT faith. If you trust in god so much and the next life is so much better than this one, when you are ill why bother with medical science and the proven methods for treating illness? Why not trust in god, you seem to think its better?
"I still say a church steeple with a lightning rod on top shows a lack of confidence"...Doug McLeod.