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RE: Was Jesus' sacrifice really a sacrifice at all?
November 7, 2010 at 2:13 pm
(November 7, 2010 at 3:54 am)chatpilot Wrote:
Godschild wrote: Where is your proof that they were child like, you are making this up so you can establish your point as truth. You see they knew the consequinces of disobedence and understood, why else would Eve had told the serpent that if they were to eat of the tree they would die.
Eve was simply repeating what God had said to her, kind of like a child telling another child "my mom said I can't eat chocolate". And the other kid replies "oh, come one she will never know". They were child like in the sense that they had on idea what sin was, in fact your bible states that they were naked and did not even notice it "they were not ashamed". And your great God knew that they had eaten from the tree when they stated that they were ashamed to come out because they were naked.
25 Now, both of them were naked, the man and his wife, but they felt no shame before each other. Genesis 2:25
9 But Yahweh God called to the man. 'Where are you?' he asked.
10 'I heard the sound of you in the garden,' he replied. 'I was afraid because I was naked, so I hid.'
11 'Who told you that you were naked?' he asked. 'Have you been eating from the tree I forbade you to eat?' Genesis 3: 9-11
You can take two naked children and bathe them together and guess what little Tommy will not get a hard on if you bathe him with baby Sue, why not? Because they have what is called innocence. Not to mention the fact that your God was so stupid that he did not even know that they ate from the tree and had to ask them. Keep cherry picking and making excuses for your fictional deity, if that is what it takes to help you justify our delusion then have at it.
Godschild wrote: By your reasoning God might as well had never created mankind.
Lucky for me he does not exist and hence did not create mankind, I would hate to have been created by a dictator such as your imaginary god.
God said to Adam and Eve to go and populate the earth and this was before the fall. Yes they were innocent but not stupid as you would have them to be, they had knowledge of many things. Because of their innocents they had no idea of evil, this does not make them helpless. God gave them one law to keep and He did this without interfering (freewill),this is the only way a true and real relationship with God could work.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
