(September 7, 2015 at 7:20 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:(September 7, 2015 at 7:16 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: It's not a strawman argument. Your statement implied that we should not "badger" Christians because we would not appreciate being badgered. I returned with the reply that we are badgered. Constantly. And yet we are the ones who are deemed "angry" if we respond in kind.
It was on that basis that I then pointed out that the reason we're so often badgered is because others believe that if we do not conform, we are in need of pressure to do so. All "out of love", of course. Well, most of it out of love. Some is just plain bigotry.
Right, so if you don't like it when people do it to you, then don't do it to others lol.
I don't do it to others until and unless they disrespect me. Unfortunately, that's nearly all the time, in which case I will respond (still in the most polite manner I can manage, despite my anger at being blatantly disrespected), and I am the one whom they pretend has caused offense.
First try to be cooperative, then respond to attacks with counterattacks. That's roughly Sagan's description of the natural "Tit for Tat" Rule, which seems to be the inherent morality of most social species, including humans. You really should read the link I posted.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
