(September 14, 2015 at 8:08 am)robvalue Wrote: Won2b: That's the even more stupid thing, no one has dislodged my logic in the slightest, so yes this is a major win for the child. The fact that God will turn around and call the best thing you can do for them murder shows the whole system is arse fucked. You could call it end justifying the means, sure. But the stakes are so high it seems ridiculous to take any other course of action if you really believe what you say you believe. The fact that people won't even consider this form of action is lots of evidence that they have reasonable doubts at least.
People want to believe this stuff, and maybe they convince themselves they do believe it. But actions, baby. Actions speak the loudest.
GC didn't tell me what happens to murdered babies, did he? Or did I miss or? Or actually address my points at all.
PS: Let me make an analogy. You're about to sit down to a massive meal, with thousands of courses. You have two options:
1) Start at the first main course. All your courses, including this first one, are guaranteed to be perfectly delicious.
2) Have a starter first. The starter isn't nearly as good as the main courses, in fact there will be horrible bits in it too. Also, if you have the starter, there's a good chance that the rest of the thousands of following courses will all be absolutely disgusting but you must eat them anyway. Or they might all be delicious as in choice 1.
Which would you chose? Which would you want a friend to choose for you, if the choose had to be made on your behalf?
This is the problem with your logic rob... often times as nice of a person you are, you will draw rigid boundaries for what a "theist" is or is not. I have noticed this is often the straw manning that atheist will do when making certain logical arguments. As I pointed out, your reasoning most certainly commits the end justifying the means fallacy. But aside from that, from my religious background (which I think is more logical and scripturally based) Heaven is not the ultimate reward. But rather having a pure relationship with god that includes living forever ON EARTH not heaven. And no individual can honestly say that they are glorifying the name of god if they killed their baby to give it a heavenly reward or an earthly one. Especially if they believe it'll bring shame on their gods name. I think the key is looking at things from other people points of view. It doesn't mean that you're conceding their points but rather it helps us to truly be more open progressive people
