Personal relationships with deities

[Drich]

[quote='Drich' pid='1053297' dateline='1442500748']

I was going to chop all of this up, and feed it back to you but upon closer inspection I agree.

That said on the flip side of that coin once you have the confirmation you seek, what then do you think your responsibility/reaction should be?

And, I think that we went over this part too.

All of the whatever you ASK for in my name.. Or whatever you ASK for in prayer, will be given to you.

John 14:13-14, Mark 11:24, Matthew 21:22. Just keep picking and choosing, and dodging every biblical verse you can to try to convince yourself that, god doesn’t answer all prayers, or as you like to word them.. petitions. Clearly it says all petitions will be answered by jeebus.

Ah, no. The word for prayer in the Koine Greek is found in your verse scrap is:proseuchomai  this is the same proseuchomai found in Luke 11 where Jesus is teaching us what prayer is. (Meaning for God to change us to His will and not for us to ask for crap from God.)
http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexi...4336&t=KJV

As for "Asking in My Name" is not the same as ending a wishing ceremony by saying in "Jesus Name I pray."
To ask in Jesus name is the same as speaking for someone. When you feel you know someone well enough to truly speak for them in essence you are saying you feel you know what they would say in a given situation. The same applies here sport. If you ask in Jesus' Name you are asking for whatever Jesus wants you to have. For those that don't know what Jesus wants you to have He spells it out right after he teaches us how to pray in LUKE 11
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...rsion=NKJV

Seriously, what did you think it meant? That God would just start handing out winning lottery tickets because you d-bags thought you found a loop hole to hold God's feet to the fire on? What if your winning lotto ticket took you and your whole family further away from God than you are in your Atheism? Why would He grant your wish?

When you are handed these verses, what actually happens in your brain? Do you tell yourself that these verses don’t exist? Or what do you translate them to in your brain? Or do you go by something else that’s contradictory to these verses? You must.. Or was jesus only talking to Phillip, and Phillip alone. Will he only grant Phillip’s or his disciples’ prayers that were present, is that the kind of savior that you worship? How come everyone else doesn’t get their petitions answered (unless, of course, they will occur naturally, by themselves)?

No.. Unlike most of you I don't pretend to know something when I don't. The one thing all my various reading and learning disabilities taught me was take nothing for granted. That if I am going to be lacking in a basic cognitive function of written communication then I need to be beyond spot on in content and context. So when I come across a passage that sounds too good to be true like 'ask ANYTHING in My name' I assume it is too good to be true the way I WANT to understand it. So First off I look at what or how pop culture/Christianity defines the term. They define it like you do.. (well the prosperity/name and claim it Christians do anyway) Then I look to see if God honors this interpretation.

Just here on this web site so many of you have been tested by this trial and like the foolish man who got his/your house/faith washed away by the wind and rain.. So the answer there is no. Jesus is not telling us he is in the wish granting business, if we add the tag line 'in jesus name I pray.' So, Once I determine a 6 year old's understanding of that passage is not valid, I turn to the scripture and check the translation, because again our bibles (for the most part) are literal translations and not contextual translations. Meaning we are given words and syntax to match what was written in the codeacees and not an interpretation of what was written. This means the translators will be faithful to match the koine greek word to the closest English word or word phrasing to honor the orignial text rather than give a summation of what they believe the text is meaning to say. With that in mind we can know a lot is lot in translation. So to revisit the orginal greek is a must, when something is not what it appears. I use the Vines concordance or the blue letter lexicon and concordance bibles. they put the greek words and definations right up against the English so you can have a more consice understanding of what is being said/communicated.

For example Prayer in the greek is: προσεύχομαι transliterated (using English letters) proseuchomai This is the formal 'full' word for literal prayer. What is prayer, who defines what a prayer is? Jesus Does in Luke 11. Matter of Fact this is the only Christian format or example of what a true prayer is. As I pointed out before at no point is this a wishing ceremony where we get to ask for what we want. Jesus shows us through this one example that Prayer is meant to help us Grow Spiritually/In the Holy Spirit not to line our beds or bank accounts with. Meaning we are asking God to change our hearts and minds, not the other way round.

So then the question becomes is it wrong to make wishes? Answer: No. at no point are we forbidden to ask God for anything. Matter of fact Paul in several different places, pairs 'supplication or petitioning' with prayer, this is also done throughout the OT. even Luke in Acts 1 identifies the separation between Prayer and supplication. So how can we be sure it is not the same as the Prayer Jesus identifies? because it is a completely different greek word with a completely different meaning:δέησις deēsis it means to request to make known a want or need. http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexi...1162&t=KJV

So now with that in mind we can draw a very sharp and clear line in Jesus' day between Prayer and supplication. God is obligated to answer ALL Prayers because He obligates himself to do so, but we must also accept that not all communication between us and God is prayer. We also have supplication which can take prayer form, ex:" Dear God I want... Amen" the true difference is context/what and why we are asking for what we are asking.

Now combine that truth with what Jesus said "Anything you ask in my Name I will do" and that passage takes on a whole new meaning. Again to "ask in someone's name" is the same is to speak in someone's name now. Meaning we will only Ask for something that in this case Jesus would want us to have. So again the question becomes What does Jesus want us to have? Contextually in Luke 11 Right after He teaches us how to pray He tells us EXACTLY What He wants us to Have.. He wants you to A/S/K for the Holy Spirit!

Once you have a measure of the Holy Spirit it all comes into focus, everything becomes clear. At that point your 'anything' Become Whatever you need to establish and maintain a relationship with God. For me 'Anything mean a tour of Hell and a visit from someone caring the message of God concerning my past present and future, along with several gifts and responsibilities I know could have only come from God.. How do I know this is true? Because again it is contextually sound, meaning It all came from a single teaching and or source in the bible. No verse scraps/cherry picking and putting things back together in a random order to make the bible say what I want it to say, and two this truth has been lived out by me for the last 23 years!