Proof Mind is Fundamental and Matter Doesn't Exist

[Rational AKD]

Again you seem to resort to mysticism and spooky QM to claim the objective world is not really there. QM does not state that physical things are not real it is by definition a system of mechanics which applies to a world conceived of as particles. QFT describes the same world as fields not particles.  Neither describe an objective world not really there, neither have clearly won the argument.

I don't know about bennyboy here, but when I talk about idealistic implications of QM, I don't refer to it's 'spookiness' or our lack of knowledge on the subject. I refer to actual evidence from what we know about QM.

Neither deny the bridge is there and objectively real, because of the emergent qualities of the quantum world which are memeasurable.

yes they are measurable... no one is denying that. but the kochen-specker theorem in QM has confirmed that the results you get from measuring a quantum particle depends on your earlier decision on how you choose to measure. this was also confirmed by double slit experiments and the delayed choice quantum eraser experiment. that means matter appears to behave in accordance with our knowledge. it will go through the double slits as a wave if we aren't able to know which slit they went though, and they will go though the double slits as a particle if we place a measuring device at the slits giving us knowledge of which slits they went though. this is called wave function collapse, and I think it's quite compatible with an idealist view, but not a naïve realist view.

You cannot apply the quantum world to the macro world, which is the only world we experience.

this was also falsified in QM in 2010 by violations of the Leggett-Garg inequality. it was shown the macro world does emerge from quantum physics.

Why would you think a bridge isnt there because QM cannot find the particles?

no one is saying that... we're saying the bridge is made of quantum particles, thus still has QM implications. such as existing as a wave function prior to measurement, only to be collapsed by measurement.

By extension are you are therefore arguing that you do not exist, this forum doesn't exist, the computer you use doesnt exist, that really we are communicating by telepathy.

no... minds exist... matter doesn't. it's more like we're all in a virtual world communicating within defined principles set for it. but as some have already pointed out, it makes no difference in terms of how we interact with this world whether it is real or virtual.

 Are you claiming the world is the conscious creation of a mind who can wish and make it so.  If this is the case why can't they just alter your mind at a whim, how can you be confident of your own existence and thoughts even as a mind?

yes. and because I don't think the same mind that gave me consciousness and a sense of reason would tamper with it simply to force me to believe something. it would serve no purpose to force me to believe something, so it seems more reasonable that he has endowed us with a sense of reason to come up with our own beliefs.

Is your mind just the puppet of a another mind who is fooling you. Can it be that your being fooled into thinking idealism could be true by this consciousness.

*sigh* you do realize the problem with this right? if this mind is fooling me in the manner you presented, then idealism would be true. but if idealism is true... then this mind wouldn't be 'fooling' me... it would be, at worst, forcing me to believe the truth. though as I already said, it doesn't make sense for a mind in such a position to do such a thing. there's no motive, no gains for deception.