RE: Proposal for the Reformation of the EU Migrant Labour within the United Kingdom
November 16, 2010 at 11:02 am
(November 16, 2010 at 1:28 am)Cerrone Wrote: No YOU are fixed on the idea of "british" workers, I said that IT IS ONLY SANE that a government looks first to care for its OWN PEOPLE over that of others and we EXPECT ANY OTHER GOVERNMENT TO DO THE fucking same.There is no need to type in ALL CAPS. I'm just defending my position, which is that your rant came across as similar to that of some BNP propaganda I've read. You didn't have to be insulted by that; a poll done last year showed that quite a few people agree with some of the BNP policies, and evidently this is one area where you and the BNP are synced.
Yes, it is only sane that a government looks after its own people before others, but I fail to see how they aren't doing that. The government is currently providing healthcare to citizens, allowing them to vote, and passing laws that try to guarantee their safety. These are all social issues, and I'm fully in support of them. What I do oppose is the government getting involved in business, since this is private sector, and as such expands across the entire globe, not just in the UK. Put simply, the government has no right telling businesses who they can and cannot hire; businesses do this themselves in a way that is good for the business (i.e. increases profit, creating more jobs, etc).
Believe it or not, but increasing profits for a business is a good thing, because it means that that business can afford to hire more people, and thus increase their productivity, once again increasing profits (it's a lovely cycle). If a business is suddenly forced to hire people according to where they come from, as opposed to who will be more profitable for the company, then this is very bad for business. Growth may slow, or be stunted completely, and then you are left with the same unemployment problem you have before.
Quote:The problem to which my "rant" (which made into parliament you may be amused to hear) isIndeed, but the way to fix mass unemployment isn't to force companies to hire specific people. Think about it...your solution doesn't create any new jobs, so you have the same amount of jobs as you did before, but you've shuffled the people around. Unemployment remains at exactly the same number...you've just decreased the amount of British people who are unemployed. Whether those people are actually any good at the jobs, or have job satisfaction is a completely different thing.
focused on it mass unemployment in the UK which IS A REALITY and NEEDS FIXING
Quote:and you can throw all the multicultural bullshit you like at the problem because for all the merits of "world market" and cultural assimiliation, it doesnt matter to the people in charge of it, that's NOT why THEY encourage it. It's so they can make a PROFIT off YOUR suffering. Plain and simple.Actually, they want to make a profit off of people's work. If you are suffering in your job, you can sue the company for negligence, or you can leave. Either thing is bad for the company, which is why companies tend to like to look after their employees. I can only speak from my experience of course; I've worked for a few different companies, and each one looked after me in a very good way, because I had something they needed...my skills.
Quote:And if you can't see that or jump to accuse ME of "BNP" propaganda then you need need a fucking crack on the jaw to wake the fuck up.I think you need a crack on the jaw to wake up if you think that shuffling people around is going to create jobs and solve unemployment...
Quote:Or better yet, wait until you're directly affected by unemployment and see how quickly your alturism kicks in.If I'm ever affected by unemployment, I am safe in the knowledge that I can go anywhere in the EU and work, as Ashendant pointed out. I'll also be safe in the knowledge that because I invested in my education, I have a particular set of skills that are considered very rare in today's business world, and as such are in high demand...so I won't have long to wait.
Quote:EDIT and i never even mentioned illegal immigrants, nor consider them to be the problem, so stop trying to use them to disprove"Stop" trying to use them? I used them once. However, I won't stop using them, because they are arguably comparable in this situation. In America, illegal immigrants are given jobs because they are cheap labour. In the UK, migrants are given jobs because they are cheap labour. See? The only difference is that the UK migrants are legally entitled to those jobs, and you want to take that away from them.
I find it interesting that you don't consider illegal immigrants to be a problem though. So you're fine with taking jobs away from people who have a legal right to them, but you're not really bothered with people who have jobs illegally? Weird.