RE: Hi, I'm a Christian. Help Me Disprove My Religion!
September 23, 2015 at 5:24 am
(This post was last modified: September 23, 2015 at 5:26 am by TheRocketSurgeon.)
(September 23, 2015 at 5:14 am)robvalue Wrote: I agree, he represents a minority opinion. But he backs up every point very well I think.
Whether or not he's got things exactly right, he presents a huge number of problems in the story which are enough to blow apart any notion of it being historically accurate. So I hope it will help the opening poster to get over their idea of jesus being "real".
More thoughts:
I concur. That's why I say he is worth carefully considering, because I hear a lot of "well he is a minority", but little in the way of viable proofs. I am not a Biblical scholar, and I was able to see right through the primary objection offered to Carrier's position (which is why I know so damned much about Tacitus, after the research it took for that one).
The reason I pointed to Carrier's minority position is that, if one likes what Carrier says and then tries to use him as a "weapon" against fundie apologists, they're ready to come back with a quick "he's a minority, a nobody". That's a backfire, whether justified or not.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
