(September 23, 2015 at 3:01 pm)Godschild Wrote:(September 22, 2015 at 10:41 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: That's how I know you don't understand what evolution is.
If I did see one species change into another, it would defy everything we know about genetic inheritance.
You don't even know enough about it to ask the right questions, man!
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I understand that evolution (if it were true) is far more complicated than any simple explanation or question. As for asking the right questions, I already have the answers I need. The smallest of organisms haven't been observed changing and they probably would be the first to do so and if they did what would it be, could you tell me what species they would become. I do not think you would have any idea, so if it happened what would the new species be, a newly discovered species or an evolved one, how would you possibly know for certain unless you observed it through the whole of the process.
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We can observe changes from one frame to the next, even through a few dozen frames. Anything else would require more than a human lifetime or even our historical time, because that's how evolution works-- through thousands of generations.
Despite that, for very short-lifespan creatures (like fruitflies), we do have time to observe some of the major changes you mention.
For longer-lived species, basically the ones we'd care about as proofs/examples, like horses or humans, we must go to either genetic evidence (markers in our DNA, the same ones used in paternity court and on Maury Povich's show to prove "Who's the Father?", that show common kinship with species whose bones make them look like they might be our kin, to confirm or deny the possible kinship) and comparisons of fossil finds to build a picture of the "family tree" in the past.
When you demand that evolution "happen right before your eyes" in order to call it "observed", even while we tell you that's not how it works, it's just as asinine as the aggressive atheist who claims he proved God doesn't exist because he demands God strike him down with lightning and nothing happens. That's just not how it works, and he's an idiot for thinking so.
Seriously, I beg you, please don't close your eyes. Please learn what evolution actually is and what it actually says, not just the strawman version the Creationists teach you to look for.
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