Proof Mind is Fundamental and Matter Doesn't Exist

[bennyboy]

Thats what I have been trying (and failing) to say!

I would add there is no point having a "shitty canadian school system etc" tantrum.  I am not critcising you for not being able to imaging a photon from the models.  I am criticising you for using that as excuse to then leap to "materialism is false" and claim something to the effect of "it is an idea because....well....er.... I say it is".  That is just your incredulity.

I guess sarcasm doesn't translate well in text.

And what's with you guys and the quoting things I never said?  Where did I say materialism is false?  Where did I say things were ideas because. . . . well. . . er. . . I said they are?

I haven't claimed that materialism is false.  I've claimed that arriving at a materialistic world view via scientific observations is a non sequitur.  This is because those same observations could theoretically be made in any sufficiently complex universe-- the Matrix, the Mind of God, a Brain in a Jar (maybe).