RE: Hi, I'm a Christian. Help Me Disprove My Religion!
September 25, 2015 at 10:30 pm
(This post was last modified: September 25, 2015 at 10:36 pm by Aractus.)
(September 25, 2015 at 10:25 pm)Redbeard The Pink Wrote: We have been over this, and I do not give a shit about the fact that you're an atheist who believes in Jesus. Knock yourself the fuck out.
Like I said, regardless of who or what he was based on, the vast majority of the Gospel is considered fiction/myth by mainstream scholarship. I have no interest in nit-picking which parts are which.
Answer the question. Who came up with those parables, and who delivered the Sermon on the Mount's teachings? Paul? Peter? James? John? Luke? Barnabas? Who?
(September 25, 2015 at 11:35 am)Crossless1 Wrote: I'm curious: debatable in what way(s)? Apocalyptic views would be strange things to attribute to him after the fact, especially since he is made to say things in the Gospels that clearly didn't come to pass (unless one indulges in some fairly creative interpretation). Besides, if his association with the Baptist is taken as an historical likelihood, then there is an apocalyptic bent to his public life at the very start.
I realize, Aractus, that you also believe he held apocalyptic views, but I have not really encountered any writers who find that interpretation debatable. Can you direct me to someone who makes that argument?
What his "exact" views are is completely unknown, and the extent to which apocalypsim was central to his theology is also debatable. Christians today (mostly) view it as less central, however those of us who aren't Christians say you can't separate the need for a messiah and apocalypsim they go hand-in-hand.
It is entirely possible his apocalyptic views & teachings were widened "after the fact".
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The WIN/Gallup End of Year Survey 2013 found the US was perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by a huge margin, with 24% of respondents fearful of the US followed by: 8% for Pakistan, and 6% for China. This was followed by 5% each for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea. -LINK
"That's disgusting. There were clean athletes out there that have had their whole careers ruined by people like Lance Armstrong who just bended thoughts to fit their circumstances. He didn't look up cheating because he wanted to stop, he wanted to justify what he was doing and to keep that continuing on." - Nicole Cooke
