(September 27, 2015 at 12:40 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: Yes I know, but she also mentioned that his existence was not universally accepted.Right so the case for Socrates is not universally accepted, but the case for Jesus is. What's your point?
(September 27, 2015 at 12:40 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: But you cant prove it, just make a case. this is the point.
I have said that many times. It has been established beyond the doubt of the vast majority of modern scholars.
(September 27, 2015 at 12:40 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: I disagree. The evidence I have seen for Jesus seems to be weak. But then I must repeat my position that I think there probably was a historical jesus, but this is just my opinion and I could not support his existence to my satisfatction.
Well you are not a historian and cannot decide whether the case for his existence is strong or weak.
Let's take James and his clear references to the sayings of Jesus - each taken individually it isn't a particularly strong or convincing reason to believe the sayings have pre-existed. But the fact he does it so many times makes the case extremely strong.
(September 27, 2015 at 12:40 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: Someone else.
Who? And how is James referencing it before it was invented and written down 35 years later (according to your point of view)?
For Religion & Health see:[/b][/size] Williams & Sternthal. (2007). Spirituality, religion and health: Evidence and research directions. Med. J. Aust., 186(10), S47-S50. -LINK
The WIN/Gallup End of Year Survey 2013 found the US was perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by a huge margin, with 24% of respondents fearful of the US followed by: 8% for Pakistan, and 6% for China. This was followed by 5% each for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea. -LINK
"That's disgusting. There were clean athletes out there that have had their whole careers ruined by people like Lance Armstrong who just bended thoughts to fit their circumstances. He didn't look up cheating because he wanted to stop, he wanted to justify what he was doing and to keep that continuing on." - Nicole Cooke
The WIN/Gallup End of Year Survey 2013 found the US was perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by a huge margin, with 24% of respondents fearful of the US followed by: 8% for Pakistan, and 6% for China. This was followed by 5% each for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea. -LINK
"That's disgusting. There were clean athletes out there that have had their whole careers ruined by people like Lance Armstrong who just bended thoughts to fit their circumstances. He didn't look up cheating because he wanted to stop, he wanted to justify what he was doing and to keep that continuing on." - Nicole Cooke
