About fucking time, Saudi Arabia...

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TruthWorthy 

There is a healthy sort of pride (and I suppose it's not entirely dissimilar to the sort you experience), that of accomplishment. It is something like understanding the world for what it truly is and thus improving you understanding. It is the realisation that a long held belief has been erroneously taken for granted to be the truth. And so it is with religious belief, and our secular state and legal system. I can undoubtedly state that it is better than a theocracy because it has logical foundations. As I stated, in my last post, muslims are deprived of logic of contradiction (accepted around the world for its incisiveness, reasoning, truth deriving qualities); unlike the logic of dualism which basically can't establish an issue with contradiction (yes, the coran is actually full of them), and is unable to divide any untruth from the system of negotiation it's based upon. Basically that means we have to take a statistical analysis (for appeasing simpletons - for want of a better understanding), and ascertain a conclusion based on that - for example, in the same way the coran is 3% peaceful, while 97% violent. I could draw a conclusion that between the argument whether the coran is peaceful or violent, it is extremely violent. The peaceful aspects are negligible.

Nice story. But I don't actually think so. The state of our world today was only achieved post world war 2, the shock which followed after the first & especially the second war are the ones which made "many countries" not wanting to have "another war" or anything that might lead to it.

In other words, you're taking pride in the industrial revolution that is interconnected with a state of "fear" from another world within a world that just got out of a world war that took the lives of millions -cough cough; unleashed by secular states"..

Then we come to the 3% peace 97 % thingy..what did you base that on ? actually did you read the Quran ?
Let's see some verses since this is the "religious" forum :

Quran :

Sura 4 Verse 63 )   Those are the ones of whom Allah knows what is in their hearts, so turn away from them but admonish them and speak to them a far-reaching word.
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(Sura 8 Verse 61) And if they incline to peace, then incline to it [also] and rely upon Allah. Indeed, it is He who is the Hearing, the Knowing.
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(Sura 2 Verse 190 )   Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors.

Where did you get your numbers from ? I see; are they from the brave secular president of Angola ??

Then again, please don't mix your anti-theism with secularism, quoting Jack David Eller :

secularity is best understood, not as being "anti-religious", but as being "religiously neutral" since many activities in religious bodies are secular themselves and most versions of secularity do not lead to irreligiosity

So pleeeaaase.

Saudi royals are criticised and appreciated by the muslim community. You choose to use them as an example of abuse of wealth and therefore not aligned with Islam in one instance while in another you embrace their wealth for jihadist operations (which you obviously are less prone to disclose publicly but which the gratitude is ever prevalent by the recipients). You quietly praise them and openly disrespect some of their practices. You aren't attacking them but the practices they're committing, right?

I ? embraced the saudi support for Jihadists ?
Are you born delusional, or you just take a certain type of drug that simulates "delusions" ?

Saudi Arabia is a "sykes-picot" state, i.e created by the ex British empire, with a "puppet string of kings" that act as allies to the British empire, after it fell, 'merica took them under its armpit making them "her puppets"; ya know oil is a lovely thing, together they enjoyed building up proxies of Jihadist to defeat the soviet union : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone
A proxy that got out of control in many places, and gave the world one of the biggest headaches in history.

So again, a delusion won't make you win an argument.. Argue with reason, not by "forging" lies and saying that the opposing side said which they didn't say.
Again : a tribal society, that is allied with a greedy capitalistic vampire, to strip the region out of its resources & cause wars left & right so war economy can make more $$$$$.

Take the story of "Qarun" from the Quran. to me, the Sauds are just the same :

Quran : Sura 28

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( 76 )   Indeed, Qarun was from the people of Moses, but he tyrannized them. And We gave him of treasures whose keys would burden a band of strong men; thereupon his people said to him, "Do not exult. Indeed, Allah does not like the exultant.

( 77 )   But seek, through that which Allah has given you, the home of the Hereafter; and [yet], do not forget your share of the world. And do good as Allah has done good to you. And desire not corruption in the land. Indeed, Allah does not like corrupters."

( 78 )   He said, "I was only given it because of knowledge I have." Did he not know that Allah had destroyed before him of generations those who were greater than him in power and greater in accumulation [of wealth]? But the criminals, about their sins, will not be asked.

( 79 )   So he came out before his people in his adornment. Those who desired the worldly life said, "Oh, would that we had like what was given to Qarun. Indeed, he is one of great fortune."

( 80 )   But those who had been given knowledge said, "Woe to you! The reward of Allah is better for he who believes and does righteousness. And none are granted it except the patient."

( 81 )   And We caused the earth to swallow him and his home. And there was for him no company to aid him other than Allah, nor was he of those who [could] defend themselves.

( 82 )   And those who had wished for his position the previous day began to say, "Oh, how Allah extends provision to whom He wills of His servants and restricts it! If not that Allah had conferred favor on us, He would have caused it to swallow us. Oh, how the disbelievers do not succeed!"

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Quite!
Actually, I did make a slight error in that part. Angola government simply hasn't recognised Islams legal status and for other reasons relating to scriptural alignment and fundamental beliefs and practices deems it a sect. The mosques which were destroyed were simply built without any sort of permission.

I apologise to everyone for the misinformation. I would always prefer the truth over lies...
Being that this is the only argument you've staked against my post, we shall all presume you accept the remainder to be true and correct.

Oh yes..premissions..
Could you please stop making a joke out of yourself by giving examples from this state ?
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/24/opinio....html?_r=0

Quoting :

Angola, naturally, doesn’t welcome journalists. It took me about five years to get a journalist visa to get into Angola, and after my reporting I doubt I’ll get another visa as long as the current regime remains in power. So at The Times, we poured a lot of time and effort into the story of what corruption does to a country.

It’s pretty heartbreaking to see kids suffering untreated from disease and unable to attend school, or to meet a mom who has lost 10 children — and it’s not just sad, but infuriating when you see it in a country that is rich with oil and diamonds

You just don't get it yet are you ? mmm by bringing an example with "Angola", you already lost all credibility to me..i.e I won't be wasting my time discussing you ..