(March 1, 2009 at 11:51 am)Eilonnwy Wrote: Oh come on! With a topic title like yours I thought there might be a decent argument, instead you offer the lamest reasons people give for god. Please, do you think we have not heard this theistic drivel.What??? Whoops! Missed the point!

My statement has nothing to do with the existence of God. It's about the illogicality of requiring evidence for faith. If it's drivel, give a good reason why it isn't so.
(March 1, 2009 at 11:51 am)Eilonnwy Wrote: Faith is the cop out people have for reason. Faith is when you don't consider your beliefs logically and rationally. If God requires you to be illogical and unreasonable in your worldview then that's not god worth worshiping.OT, but faith isn't when you consider your beliefs illogically at all. You're talking about blind faith.
(March 1, 2009 at 11:51 am)Eilonnwy Wrote: Also, you analogy of doubt and faith fail. People assert that they believe in god because they "know". A lot of theists will assert that they do not doubt there is a god.
You misunderstand those theists. They are assured in their faith. That doesn't mean that their faith isn't needed. Otherwise they wouldn't believe in a God. It's simple logic that's pretty solid IMHO.
(March 1, 2009 at 11:51 am)Eilonnwy Wrote: To say god does not require evidence is to say that your god is exempt from the laws of reason. You're making a special exemption where none is deserved. It's a weak attempt at stopping people from looking at the god question.That's a completely non sensical statement given my reasoning above, which you haven't challenged successfully; and an illogical conclusion I think. In my reasoning, anyone considering the idea has to examine the question of existence.
(March 1, 2009 at 11:51 am)Eilonnwy Wrote: You're right that god deserves questioning, but not in the way that you think. At the end of those questions there needs to be evidence, and there simply is none.This is a ridiculous statement, as I've postulated above. Reason against it.