(October 4, 2015 at 2:29 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:There are a number of problems here. These are, in fact, the same arguments that Christians have made about Yahweh and the Bible.(October 4, 2015 at 7:13 am)robvalue Wrote: We don't need pain if we couldn't be hurt. If I was designing some buddies and putting them in an environment of my choosing, I wouldn't make it possible for them to be hurt by anything. So no need for pain. I guess God likes the hurt and pain.
Of course, from an evolutionary point of view, pain makes perfect sense. It certainly is a bizarre phenomenon though.
That environment where nobody gets hurt is already created; it's called paradise..even mentioned in the Quran :
Sura 20
(Verse 118 ) Indeed, it is [promised] for you not to be hungry therein or be unclothed.
(Verse 119 ) And indeed, you will not be thirsty therein or be hot from the sun."
(Verse 120 ) Then Satan whispered to him; he said, "O Adam, shall I direct you to the tree of eternity and possession that will not deteriorate?"
Yet, free will took us down to this environment, where we get hungry, we feel pain. If you are a God and chose to do what you wrote in your comment; then you're being a dictator who took free will away from his creations, and didn't see all the scenarios clearly
While in real life, God saw Satan's move, yet tested Adam & Eve against it; without being a dictator who took their free will : he let them write their own destiny. Hence; we are all Adam, we are all Eve..same genes after all.. all of us must be tested against that Satan. This is the testing ground.
You are semi correct on this. The environment where we don't feel pain comes though after we are judged.
How can there be a paradise? If Allah couldn’t create a world of free will creatures without introducing hurt and pain here on Earth, then he won't be able to do it in paradise. If he can do it in paradise then he can do it here.
It's not possible for a creator god to not be a dictator. There was nothing in Adam and Eve that Allah did not create in them, even the feelings and thoughts that led them to choose Satan are of Allah's making. You will be guilty of the deadly sin of polytheism if you say Allah had a companion who created something in Adam and Eve that Allah didn't know about. So he didn't have to test them. Why then would he punish them for doing what they were created to do?
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.
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I may defend your right to free speech, but i won't help you pass out flyers.
Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.
--Voltaire
Nietzsche isn't dead. How do I know he lives? He lives in my mind.
