(October 4, 2015 at 4:35 pm)Irrational Wrote: Libertarian free will defies all logic anyway. So if God exists, and he created us, then he couldn't have created us with free will.Right. And if we had free will, god could not promise anything, not eternal lie, not blessings or protection n this life, because he couldn't control what the people around us do and he wouldn't be be able to control what we do in the afterlife.
Also, even if free will was logical, God clearly didn't give us complete freedom to do all sorts of things, so he would still be a "dictator".
Let's look at this. It's clear god (Allah, Yahweh or whoever) doesn't control what people do because his followers are subject to the same horrors as everyone else. Yes this clearly isn't because we have absolute free will. Logical conclusion: god either lacks the power/inclination to acheive goodness in a world full of people with freewill or he simply doesn't exist.
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.
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Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.
--Voltaire
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I may defend your right to free speech, but i won't help you pass out flyers.
Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.
--Voltaire
Nietzsche isn't dead. How do I know he lives? He lives in my mind.
