(October 6, 2015 at 10:21 am)Losty Wrote:(October 6, 2015 at 9:02 am)Drich Wrote: You're still missing it. What I've done (and other who simply read what is on page and assume their initial take/Interpretation is correct) is I research the words used, and the context in which they were spoken. This research is what makes or validates One interpretation over another.
No it doesn't. Not even a little bit.
Ya, huh, a lot of Bit Ya HUH!
Because, interpretation can be trivialized only up until a given word or phrase has been exegetically identified and or defined.
That means I can make fun of your interpretation (because none of you put in any effort outside of your own personal understanding of the text.) and you can't trivialize what I said because I have indeed not only defined the words, but put them in the correct historical/biblical context. That is to say unless one of you wants to point to some reference material that changes my interpretation in some way.
For example in the Prayer supplication discussion, I have shown the only Historical/Biblical accounting of what Jesus identifies as prayer. I demonstrated that in this out line, begging for stuff we want, or attempting to barter good behavior for granted wishes is NOT apart of the one out line of Prayer Jesus provides, and I show that petition/supplication was known to the people of that day. I defined the terms in the historical text, and in modern English, I also show a Command that tells us to Pray, AND supplicate/Petition (Ask God for stuff.) I also point out Prayer, is always answered according to Christ, while supplication is not.
Meanwhile the general consensus of 'prayer' (the argument against mine) seems to only have two qualifers. You start with "Dear God, and end with in Jesus name I pray, Amen." Then fill in the middle with anything you want.
again No where in the bible does that make a prayer, that is a modern construct that is not the intention of those who told us to Pray in the 1st century. Because again those attributes (asking for stuff) fits under theGreek word for supplication/Petition and not Prayer.
When Jesus said pray He meant to follow the one example He gave. (The Lord's prayer in Luke 11) so too did Paul as He points to it and seperates that from 'asking for stuff.'
So, again. Yes Huh! Research here (like every place else) validates one interpretation and invalidates another.