Personal relationships with deities

[Drich]

Welcome back Drippy. Have a tissue to catch those drips for you.

I don't understand how you claim to know a lot about what 'Jesus really meant', there are so many interpretations of the Holy Bible which is really just wholly babble.

I don't know if you know that your needlessly confusing the issue or not... But, Normally the "IDK how you know what Jesus really meant" is a weak atheist argument on grey area issues that were never really discussed in any of the gospels. Like should we have instrumental music in worship service, or should children be allowed to take communion that sort of thing. However all those arguments (We don't know what Jesus Really meant) go away when an issue like prayer is discussed, because it is point blank asked and completely outlined and answered by Christ.

All anyone need do in this case is read their bible and see what was said:
 Luke 11: Now Jesus[a] was praying in a certain place, and when he finished, one of his disciples said to him, “Lord, teach us to pray, as John taught his disciples.” 2 And he said to them, “When you pray, say:

“Father, hallowed be your name.
Your kingdom come.
3 Give us each day our daily bread,[b]
4 and forgive us our sins,
    for we ourselves forgive everyone who is indebted to us.
And lead us not into temptation

Very simple out line.
The prayer starts with a Acknoweledgement of Who God is

We pray for His Kingdom, His rule, His Authority, His will over us.

We Ask for our immediate need/Daily Bread

We Ask that God forgive us on the condition, that we forgive others.

We ask that God keep us from temptation.

That's it. That is the only example Christ Ever gave of prayer. That said we can go indepth on each line of the outline and name out specifics as Christ would later do in the Garden just before He was betrayed. Even in his greatest time of despare and need Christ Himself still followed the outline of prayer.

So to recap: how do we know what prayer is? Jesus out lines it for us, because it was directly asked of him to teach us how to pray, and he puts out the above outline/prayer.

How do we know asking for stuff is not prayer? Because again Both in the Old and New testaments asking for 'stuff we want' is identified supplication/petitioning God, not prayer.

That means Prayer is asking God to give us what He wants for us, Supplication/Petition is asking God for what we want. Jesus tells us Prayer is ALWAYS answered with a yes, however nothing in the bible say supplication is.