Young Earth Creationism Vs. Science (Statler Waldorf Contd)

[Thor]

From a Darwinian perspective, what the Nazis did was not “wrong”.

From a human perspective, what the Nazis did was indeed "wrong"!

Even Dawkins admits that if Darwin is correct there is no right and wrong.

"Right" and "wrong" are human concepts. These concepts can be influenced by our culture, upbringing, religion, etc. Slave holders of the 18th and 19th century (most of whom were devoutly religious) saw nothing "wrong" in owning slaves.

So the fact that you are so appalled by what the Nazis did and you are a Darwinist is a bit humorous.

I am NOT a "Darwinist" (and I'd be willing to bet that no one in this forum is a "Darwinist"). Our position is quite simply that Evolutionary Theory is sound. This is NOT the same as "Darwinism".

As to your quote you are seeking, this one might help…

“‘At the present time there exist upon the earth five races or varieties of man, each very different from the others in instincts, social customs, and, to an extent, in structure. These are the Ethiopian or negro type, originating in Africa; the Malay or brown race, from the islands of the Pacific; the American Indian; the Mongolian or yellow race, including the natives of China, Japan and the Eskimos; and finally, the highest type of all, the Caucasians, represented by the civilized white inhabitants of Europe and America.”

- Charles Darwin, the Descent of Man

Or maybe this one, where Darwin views Anglo-Saxons as the superior race and compares blacks to “the other great apes”?

“At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilized races of man will almost certainly exterminate, and replace, the savage races throughout the world. At the same time the anthropomorphous apes ... will no doubt be exterminated. The break between man and his nearest allies will then be wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilized state, as we may hope, even than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as now between the Negro or Australian and the gorilla.”

-Charles Darwin, The Descent of Man

“Before 1859 (before Darwin's Origin), many scientists had questioned whether blacks were of the same species as whites, but they had no scientific basis for that notion. Things changed once Darwin presented his racist evolutionary schema. Darwin stated that African-Americans could not survive competition with their white near-relations, let alone being able to compete with the white race. According to Darwin, the African was inferior because he represented the missing-link" between ape and Teuton.”

- John C. Burhan, Science Vol. 175

No wonder the Nazis thought whites were the superior race, they were only agreeing with Darwin himself.

Looks to me as though Darwin is saying the Caucasian race is superior. A view that probably 95% of all Caucasians held at that time. He also writes about what he thinks will happen in the future. Nowhere does he propose or condone the wholsale slaughter of people because they are of a different race. Darwin had nothing to do with the atrocities committed by the Nazis. They would have done what they did if Darwin had never lived. You think Jews weren't persecuted before Darwin came along?

Keep trying to link Darwin to Nazis. It's amusing and it makes you look foolish.

Did Darwin help to fuel Germany’s motivations for war? Looks like it…

“ … struggle, selection, and survival of the fittest, all notions and observations arrived at … by Darwin … but already in luxuriant bud in the German social philosophy of the nineteenth century. … Thus developed the doctrine of Germany’s inherent right to rule the world on the basis of superior strength … [of a] “hammer and anvil” relationship between the Reich and the weaker nations.”

- A. Keith, “Evolution and Ethics”

Oh, yes! Because nowhere in history before Darwin came along did strong nations try to invade and conquer what they perceived to be weaker ones. Obviously, without Darwin the Nazis would have been just been a friendly social group.