(October 10, 2015 at 9:21 am)sinnerdaniel94 Wrote:(October 10, 2015 at 7:22 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Just one point, as there's too much rubbish to hit point-by-point:
Firstly, I'm not sure that being printed on the bottom of a cup at 'In and Out Burger' is a particularly strong argument in favour of your interpretation of this verse.
Secondly, this is the most notorious bit in the Bible. Here's what it's really saying: 'For God so despised intellectual honesty, freedom and free thought that he has declared that anyone who does not love Jesus to the exclusion of all else is doomed to eternal misery and torture for the unthinkable crime of having the temerity to use the critical reasoning skills that God has provided.'
Any Christian who thinks John 3:16 is an expression of God's love for humanity should be ashamed of themselves.
Boru
What you're saying is that you hate God?
(October 10, 2015 at 7:05 am)I_am_not_mafia Wrote: Why should we believe what the Bible says?
Why should we believe our history books? You need to make a grown up decision and ask yourself seriously whether it is fable or true. If you think it's a pile of heaping dung, then have a good day. If you don't and you believe on Jesus, then awesome! May God bless you all the days of your life.
Fuck, man, how dense can you be?
We cannot hate God, since no gods are real. We don't hate Jehovah any more than you hate Ganesha or Shiva or Thor.
On the other hand, we can be astounded at how barbaric and brutal your descriptions of this fictional character (around whom you have chosen to center your life and ideologies) are.
If you told me you worshiped Darth Vader, I'd question why you followed a guy who liked to Force-choke people who disagreed with him.
And you would reply "Why do you hate Vader?" And I would stare at you like your brain came out of your nose.
We shouldn't believe our history books. We should look at what each book has to say, compare it to other books (and primary literature, if we see discrepancies between the versions told in the history books), and form an idea of what history really is based on how strong the case is of each thing we in society think we know about history. The same is true of any books.
And if a person told me they had read only one history book, and then decided that was the only history book worth reading, I'd stare at them like their brains came out of their nose.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
