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Ho Hum Another campus shooting.
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RE: Ho Hum Another campus shooting.
(October 9, 2015 at 5:31 pm)MentalGiant Wrote: [Image: toon011713a.png]

Wanted to add- I grew up around guns, I learned to shoot one when I was about 4 and have shot many different types of guns (in ranges or out in the desert, supervised by adults when I was growing up. I have never had an interest as an adult). I was involved in a traumatic incident with a relative involving a gun turned on me where I genuinely feared for my life growing up. I am guessing most people who are anti-gun have not shared a similar traumatic experience directly involving a gun nor do they likely have much experience in handling or firing a gun themselves. While I would never own one or allow one in my home, I am not convinced they are the root of the problem with these mass shootings. As with what happened to me, people who resort gun violence and turn them on others not out of self defense are MENTALLY UNSTABLE INDIVIDUALS (or have grown up in or are involved in a culture of violence such as a gang). It's like saying deaths from drunk driving are because of cars instead of placing the blame where it belongs- the drunk individual who decided to use the car.

I agree with pretty much everything you said. The most dishonest statistic most widely repeated is that where you have less guns there is less gun violence (like Cato's graph). Who cares what weapons kills ya?
The real statistic of interest is what the effect of guns or lack thereof have on violent crime overall. The goal is not to stop or reduce gun-violence per se. The goal is to stop or reduce all kinds of violence and death, regardless of weapon. I think those statistics remain inconclusive.

The US does have a terrible crime problem. All free societies do. That is one side effect of liberty. If you want to feel safe on the streets then move to a totalitarian state.
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Ho Hum Another campus shooting. - by Minimalist - October 9, 2015 at 1:12 pm
RE: Ho Hum Another campus shooting. - by Ayen - October 9, 2015 at 1:33 pm
RE: Ho Hum Another campus shooting. - by Divinity - October 9, 2015 at 1:35 pm
RE: Ho Hum Another campus shooting. - by Crossless1 - October 9, 2015 at 3:32 pm
RE: Ho Hum Another campus shooting. - by Pyrrho - October 9, 2015 at 4:47 pm
RE: Ho Hum Another campus shooting. - by Crossless1 - October 11, 2015 at 11:48 am
RE: Ho Hum Another campus shooting. - by Brian37 - October 9, 2015 at 1:47 pm
RE: Ho Hum Another campus shooting. - by robvalue - October 9, 2015 at 1:51 pm
RE: Ho Hum Another campus shooting. - by Ayen - October 9, 2015 at 1:55 pm
RE: Ho Hum Another campus shooting. - by Brian37 - October 9, 2015 at 1:59 pm
RE: Ho Hum Another campus shooting. - by Ayen - October 9, 2015 at 2:05 pm
RE: Ho Hum Another campus shooting. - by c172 - October 9, 2015 at 2:02 pm
RE: Ho Hum Another campus shooting. - by Minimalist - October 9, 2015 at 2:08 pm
RE: Ho Hum Another campus shooting. - by Brian37 - October 9, 2015 at 2:54 pm
RE: Ho Hum Another campus shooting. - by Minimalist - October 9, 2015 at 2:54 pm
RE: Ho Hum Another campus shooting. - by Ayen - October 9, 2015 at 3:23 pm
RE: Ho Hum Another campus shooting. - by Reforged - October 9, 2015 at 4:56 pm
RE: Ho Hum Another campus shooting. - by Neo-Scholastic - October 9, 2015 at 5:24 pm
RE: Ho Hum Another campus shooting. - by Ayen - October 9, 2015 at 5:56 pm
RE: Ho Hum Another campus shooting. - by MentalGiant - October 9, 2015 at 5:31 pm
RE: Ho Hum Another campus shooting. - by Neo-Scholastic - October 11, 2015 at 1:47 pm
RE: Ho Hum Another campus shooting. - by Exian - October 9, 2015 at 5:49 pm
RE: Ho Hum Another campus shooting. - by Minimalist - October 9, 2015 at 6:02 pm
RE: Ho Hum Another campus shooting. - by MentalGiant - October 9, 2015 at 6:17 pm
RE: Ho Hum Another campus shooting. - by Cato - October 10, 2015 at 8:17 am
RE: Ho Hum Another campus shooting. - by Cato - October 9, 2015 at 6:05 pm
RE: Ho Hum Another campus shooting. - by abaris - October 9, 2015 at 7:01 pm
RE: Ho Hum Another campus shooting. - by Divinity - October 9, 2015 at 7:04 pm
RE: Ho Hum Another campus shooting. - by ignoramus - October 9, 2015 at 7:34 pm
RE: Ho Hum Another campus shooting. - by abaris - October 9, 2015 at 8:09 pm
RE: Ho Hum Another campus shooting. - by MentalGiant - October 9, 2015 at 8:20 pm
RE: Ho Hum Another campus shooting. - by Kitty Galore - October 9, 2015 at 7:52 pm
RE: Ho Hum Another campus shooting. - by Minimalist - October 9, 2015 at 8:38 pm
RE: Ho Hum Another campus shooting. - by ignoramus - October 9, 2015 at 10:51 pm
RE: Ho Hum Another campus shooting. - by MentalGiant - October 9, 2015 at 11:33 pm
RE: Ho Hum Another campus shooting. - by Minimalist - October 11, 2015 at 11:59 am
RE: Ho Hum Another campus shooting. - by Silver - October 9, 2015 at 11:34 pm
RE: Ho Hum Another campus shooting. - by ignoramus - October 9, 2015 at 11:40 pm
RE: Ho Hum Another campus shooting. - by Silver - October 9, 2015 at 11:43 pm
RE: Ho Hum Another campus shooting. - by MentalGiant - October 10, 2015 at 1:30 am
RE: Ho Hum Another campus shooting. - by Cato - October 10, 2015 at 8:12 am
RE: Ho Hum Another campus shooting. - by Silver - October 10, 2015 at 1:38 am
RE: Ho Hum Another campus shooting. - by MentalGiant - October 10, 2015 at 2:04 am
RE: Ho Hum Another campus shooting. - by downbeatplumb - October 10, 2015 at 12:33 pm

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