(October 11, 2015 at 3:51 pm)jenny1972 Wrote:A relationship with gawd has the above three qualities?(September 17, 2015 at 8:58 am)robvalue Wrote: 1) Both parties in the relationship exist, and are easily distinguishable from being imaginary.your right a relationship does have the above qualities , and also a relationship with God absolutely does have the above 3 qualities and if it does not have them then it is not a personal relationship . a relationship is not one sided , although some people may consider simply praying to be the equivalent of a relationship its not.
2) Both parties have an independent intelligence.
3) Both parties directly communicate with the other party in a meaningful, observable way.
In this way, I can have personal relationship with any human, any animal that has some way to at least acknowledge my interaction with it, and arguably with an artificial intelligence. It seems to me that if these 3 criteria are not met, it is not a meaningful personal relationship. The only exception I can think of is where one party becomes unable to communicate at some point, such as a friend going into a coma. You could maybe argue that you can continue to have a personal relationship with them, based on your history together, even though they can't directly answer back.
However, it seems to me that most people's personal relationship with God/Jesus/Allah etc. satisfies not even one of these criteria.
i disagree a relationship with God
You have scientific, measurable proof that gawd is not imaginary? (Not personal experience, not from a book, something measured by machine.)
You have measurable proof of communication from gawd, that was witnessed by impartial observers, who can replay both sides of the conversation?
If you do, share! And if you do, show the world. You'll be famous. You'll be rich. You'll become a household name. You'll prove ONE belief system right and all the others wrong.
"The family that prays together...is brainwashing their children."- Albert Einstein