(October 13, 2015 at 11:24 am)jenny1972 Wrote: i think the only convincing evidence could come from God or science and then only if the atheist is the more openminded type who is not convinced they know everything and rejects the idea of new discovery .
With all due respect, I think you have swallowed a lot of anti-atheist propaganda that is pushed constantly by the people who have an investment in organized religion (preachers, pundits, and adherents), and recognize the threat that questioners and skeptics like us represent.
If you really get to know us, you'll find that we're holding our breath every day, eagerly awaiting and consuming every new discovery. Rather than thinking we "know everything", we are the ones who must constantly explain what the principles of science and what constitutes real evidence to those who DO think they know everything. Indeed, if you keep watching, here, you'll see how often we get Creationists here who tell us that since we openly admit we don't know everything, we must not be able to know anything about the world.
I have been an agnostic atheist for 17 years, now, and a semi-agnostic for five before that. In all that time, I don't think I've ever met a single atheist who says he knows everything. Yet I hear that accusation weekly from the devout, which tells me that it is being promulgated by the groups I listed, above. It simply isn't how 99.9% of us think.
I hope you are the type who is honest enough to throw away your preconceptions and learn from us who we really are.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
