(October 13, 2015 at 12:59 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: Esquilax wrote: "God can't shoulder the burden of proof, and so there's a certain stripe of theist who will argue that god doesn't need to be subjected to the burden of proof, because he would fail if we tried that."
Then there are those theists who will say that God can shoulder the burden of proof (and why not, since he is allegedly all-powerful) but chooses not to because unambiguous, compelling evidence of his existence would somehow violate our alleged free will. But when pressed to explain why their god prefers unfounded belief in his existence instead of knowledge, they'll toss out a few Bible verses and then change the subject as quickly as possible.
Except that, according to their own mythology, God in Jesus Form™ was perfectly willing to provide evidence to skeptics like Thomas and the apostles, after resurrection.
It's just us regular schlubs (and everyone else since Jesus vanished into orbit) who have to rely on the say-so of those apostles that they saw what they saw; God can't bother to provide proof to the rest of us.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
