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Why atheism?
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RE: Why atheism?
(October 13, 2015 at 8:20 pm)JBrentonK Wrote: Why the belief in no God? Can anyone explain?

Not believing in a god is not the same thing as believing there are no gods. Keep that in mind.

Quote:I say this as a theist and a devout christian. I am seriously wonderng why you would choose to be an atheist.

Because no religion or theistic claim has ever had sufficient justification to accept it as true. I cannot believe anything that does not meet my standards of evidence.

Quote:There are litterally no classifications as of what to believe. It's all a matter of choice. You indeed do choose what to believe and what not to believe, and as such I can see no reason for atheism. You wanted examples so here they are. You must choose to believe for one. You would then choose, theism. But if you do choose to believe, you are still believing something. I suggest that because you must choose to believe in theism, you are making a choice to believe. Before you ever choose not to believe in anything, you believed in God, God, God. You never made the decision to devote to pure skepticism and hiding, masks or charades. You never made that choice yet.

You can't choose what you believe. Your beliefs are consequences of your standards of evidence as applied to claims; I can't just choose to sincerely believe that I can fly. I can claim that I believe that but rationally I would know that I cannot fly because of my understanding of how the world works. Similarly, I can claim to be religious if I so choose, but the actual belief could not possibly be accepted as true given the current state of the evidence.

Quote:What do you choose to believe? Why do you think there is a choice as to what to believe anyway?

There isn't a choice. My beliefs are informed by the available evidence. That's the whole reason I'm an atheist.

Quote:Is there something that comes before us that causes us to choose to believe in atheism (of all the wacko types of choices there would be to make).

Yes, there's a recognition that following the evidence leads to the best possible life, which is demonstrated by just how effective the scientific method has been at improving conditions for people.

Quote:And to choose to believe in atheism is not difficult, but I say this as a christian: why would you even think there is something in the past that causes us to be able to disbelieve? What in nature could possibly cause the belief in atheism even? Or will you cease to be rational and put atheism as a rationaless belief, a pure monkey hybrid kind of fact? Surely not. And surely not to there being something in our past that can cause us to (naturally) disbelieve in God.

What are you talking about? Rational assessment of the evidence is a fantastic survival strategy, it allowed us to become the dominant species on the planet.

Quote:We christians know that the FSM is just pure hipocricy. The thing is, we know it. Why don't we take a stand to it? It's the atheists of the world that have caused "disbelief" in the first place. NAZIism and disbelief go hand in hand.

Would those be the same Nazis who had "god with us" on every uniform? Or did you just not think before you made an inflammatory statement? Dodgy
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Why atheism? - by JBrentonK - October 13, 2015 at 8:20 pm
RE: Why atheism? - by houseofcantor - October 13, 2015 at 8:23 pm
RE: Why atheism? - by Mermaid - October 14, 2015 at 7:43 pm
RE: Why atheism? - by Chad32 - October 13, 2015 at 8:28 pm
RE: Why atheism? - by Esquilax - October 13, 2015 at 8:30 pm
RE: Why atheism? - by jenny1972 - October 13, 2015 at 8:36 pm
RE: Why atheism? - by Angrboda - October 13, 2015 at 8:36 pm
RE: Why atheism? - by vorlon13 - October 13, 2015 at 8:38 pm
RE: Why atheism? - by Chad32 - October 13, 2015 at 8:42 pm
RE: Why atheism? - by Minimalist - October 13, 2015 at 8:41 pm
RE: Why atheism? - by JBrentonK - October 13, 2015 at 8:45 pm
RE: Why atheism? - by vorlon13 - October 13, 2015 at 10:06 pm
RE: Why atheism? - by Mister Agenda - October 14, 2015 at 11:26 am
RE: Why atheism? - by Exian - October 13, 2015 at 8:45 pm
RE: Why atheism? - by JBrentonK - October 13, 2015 at 8:47 pm
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RE: Why atheism? - by vorlon13 - October 13, 2015 at 10:06 pm
RE: Why atheism? - by Nay_Sayer - October 13, 2015 at 10:09 pm
RE: Why atheism? - by JBrentonK - October 13, 2015 at 8:49 pm
RE: Why atheism? - by JBrentonK - October 13, 2015 at 8:50 pm
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RE: Why atheism? - by Angrboda - October 13, 2015 at 8:55 pm
RE: Why atheism? - by JBrentonK - October 13, 2015 at 8:56 pm
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RE: Why atheism? - by Losty - October 13, 2015 at 9:04 pm
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RE: Why atheism? - by JBrentonK - October 13, 2015 at 9:16 pm
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RE: Why atheism? - by JBrentonK - October 13, 2015 at 9:20 pm
RE: Why atheism? - by Losty - October 13, 2015 at 9:24 pm
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RE: Why atheism? - by JBrentonK - October 13, 2015 at 9:39 pm
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