RE: Proof Mind is Fundamental and Matter Doesn't Exist
October 16, 2015 at 12:41 am
(This post was last modified: October 16, 2015 at 1:01 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(October 16, 2015 at 12:34 am)bennyboy Wrote: [quote=The only have the power to generate conclusions regarding my experiences. . . which may or may not be of the self.You have no way of knowing that there -is- anything other than self to be of. I'm going to hold you to the statements you've made until you see how poorly they fit together.
Quote:No, it's not. Accepting that something exists, and excepting that it exists as you think it exists, are an order of magnitude apart. I know particles exist, because I've learned about them in books. However, I do not know that underlying those particles is a reality which is material at its foundation. I do not know that they are not Matrix particles, or Mind of God particles, or BIJ particles, or expressions of immaterial mathematical principles.Yet you think your ideas exist as you think they do. You don't know whether or not particles -exist-. Black box. You don't know that there -is- an underlying reality. Black Box.
Quote:No, because for me to be able consider this fact, I'd at least be cheese with a mind. And the mind would probably wonder in what way, exactly, the cheese could be known to exist as it seemed to-- and conclude that it couldn't.You are a mind -made of cheese- in the conjecture..and I'm starting to wonder whether this holds true irl as well. If you cant sign on board with the cheese claim you shouldn't sign on board with your own idealism claim. They are functionally identical. Can you confirm for me that you understand why a composition fallacy doesn't work, after having heard the cheese example? It isn't wrong for any high minded reason that requires consideration (as you so atrociously dove into above). It's wrong because you can plug in a true premise, true propositions, and still get a false answer. You have been consistently wrong, throughout this thread...not because the universe -really is- material or immaterial, not for the truth of any particular premise or conjecture - but because the manner in which you've strung them together can't be expected to yield truth as output -even- if it's supplied with true input. -If- your facts are straight..............you still need a valid form of inference, which you've failed to present.
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