RE: Christians - even the Bible says that Jesus was not God so why do you say he was ?
October 22, 2015 at 9:39 am
(October 22, 2015 at 8:52 am)alpha male Wrote:(October 22, 2015 at 6:46 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: So, according to you, Jesus was literally saying he was from heavenYes. See the beginning of the book. The author definitely sees Jesus as divine and preceding creation.
Quote:and they were from hell?No - they're from "this world," as the quote says.
Quote:It's not metaphorical at all? Wow. Quite an interpretation.
Oooooooorrr, we could realize it's not a reference to being a God, but of being a transcendent being (an Enlightened One, so to speak), while the people to whom he was speaking were not, still trapped in their terrestrial thoughts. One of the numerous examples of Buddhist influence on the teachings of Rabbi Yeshua.
LOL - and you say I have quite an interpretation.
Yeah, I just maaaaaaade that up. Douche. You're quoting from the Gospel of John, the non-synoptic gospel written nearly a century after his death (earliest possible is 60+ years later), in which he has been assigned magical abilities and divine nature not found in the earlier gospels.
And I am not remotely the first person to note that Jesus takes on Buddha-like qualities in the descriptions of his "divine nature"... the whole Trinitarian "Jesus = God" thing came later in church history; even though the view is almost ubiquitous, now, it was not always so. You're looking at it through rose-colored glasses.
If you'll take the glasses off and really LOOK, it's obvious that the writer of John is bridging the gap between the earlier, "mystical teacher of the path to enlightenment" (The Way) version of Jesus and the later, "I Am" version of Jesus-as-God.
http://www.letusreason.org/Cult13.htm
http://www.jesusisbuddha.com/thundy.html
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
