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Sin & Forgiveness
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RE: Sin & Forgiveness
You know there might be a simpler, less human hating explanation for this, lol.  As a rule, we imagine forgiveness for sin because we are decent beings.  We feel guilt, shame and remorse when we've wronged someone (or even when we -think- we've wronged someone).   These experiences are painful and lingering, and so an offer of release can be appealing.  We do more than -just- imagine it, of course.  We offer it, we arrange for it, we do work.  

Consider this.  Why do people try frantically to escape when you have their thumb under a screw?  Are they just looking for the easy way out?   The implication here is less than subtle, and..I think, as inapplicable to this scenario as it is to the christian focus on forgiveness.  Perhaps christians focus on this because things like remorse, guilt, shame, and forgiveness are important to human beings -regardless of whether or not they are important to a god, or there is any divine offer at hand.  Isn't your own concept of karma (btw, not "simple cause and effect"...we have a term for simple cause and effect..."simple cause and effect") a way of institutionalizing the very same concepts?  

Believers often think that their beliefs are applicable to everyone on the planet, btw, it's one of their less endearing quirks.
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Sin & Forgiveness - by miaharun - October 25, 2015 at 7:22 am
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by robvalue - October 25, 2015 at 8:02 am
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 25, 2015 at 8:55 am
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by Aoi Magi - October 25, 2015 at 9:11 am
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by miaharun - October 25, 2015 at 9:26 am
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 25, 2015 at 9:30 am
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by Aoi Magi - October 25, 2015 at 9:38 am
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by Kingpin - October 26, 2015 at 1:14 pm
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by miaharun - October 25, 2015 at 9:44 am
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 25, 2015 at 10:15 am
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by The Grand Nudger - October 25, 2015 at 10:04 am
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 25, 2015 at 10:11 am
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by miaharun - October 25, 2015 at 10:19 am
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by The Grand Nudger - October 25, 2015 at 10:33 am
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by miaharun - October 25, 2015 at 10:41 am
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by The Grand Nudger - October 25, 2015 at 10:53 am
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by miaharun - October 25, 2015 at 11:03 am
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by The Grand Nudger - October 25, 2015 at 11:26 am
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by robvalue - October 25, 2015 at 11:27 am
Sin & Forgiveness - by miaharun - October 25, 2015 at 11:43 am
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by The Grand Nudger - October 26, 2015 at 1:04 am
Sin & Forgiveness - by miaharun - October 26, 2015 at 1:24 am
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by The Grand Nudger - October 26, 2015 at 1:41 am
Sin & Forgiveness - by miaharun - October 26, 2015 at 1:59 am
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by robvalue - October 26, 2015 at 2:21 am
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by Cecelia - October 26, 2015 at 2:12 am
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by The Grand Nudger - October 26, 2015 at 2:13 am
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by The Grand Nudger - October 26, 2015 at 2:24 am
Sin & Forgiveness - by miaharun - October 26, 2015 at 2:26 am
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by robvalue - October 26, 2015 at 2:57 am
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by The Grand Nudger - October 26, 2015 at 2:59 am
Sin & Forgiveness - by miaharun - October 26, 2015 at 3:36 am
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by robvalue - October 26, 2015 at 3:43 am
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by The Grand Nudger - October 26, 2015 at 3:44 am
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by robvalue - October 26, 2015 at 4:01 am
Sin & Forgiveness - by miaharun - October 26, 2015 at 4:30 am
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by robvalue - October 26, 2015 at 4:45 am
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by The Grand Nudger - October 26, 2015 at 5:08 am
Sin & Forgiveness - by miaharun - October 26, 2015 at 5:10 am
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by The Grand Nudger - October 26, 2015 at 5:17 am
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by robvalue - October 26, 2015 at 5:19 am
Sin & Forgiveness - by miaharun - October 26, 2015 at 5:29 am
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by The Grand Nudger - October 26, 2015 at 5:31 am
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by robvalue - October 26, 2015 at 5:33 am
Sin & Forgiveness - by miaharun - October 26, 2015 at 5:41 am
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by The Grand Nudger - October 26, 2015 at 5:56 am
Sin & Forgiveness - by miaharun - October 26, 2015 at 6:05 am
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by The Grand Nudger - October 26, 2015 at 6:10 am
Sin & Forgiveness - by miaharun - October 26, 2015 at 6:18 am
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by The Grand Nudger - October 26, 2015 at 6:19 am
Sin & Forgiveness - by miaharun - October 26, 2015 at 6:30 am
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by The Grand Nudger - October 26, 2015 at 6:34 am
Sin & Forgiveness - by miaharun - October 26, 2015 at 6:36 am
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by robvalue - October 26, 2015 at 6:44 am
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by Aoi Magi - October 26, 2015 at 7:36 am
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by vorlon13 - October 26, 2015 at 9:58 am
Sin & Forgiveness - by miaharun - October 26, 2015 at 10:39 am
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by Drich - October 26, 2015 at 10:43 am
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by robvalue - October 26, 2015 at 11:00 am
Sin & Forgiveness - by miaharun - October 26, 2015 at 11:09 am
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by Drich - October 26, 2015 at 12:53 pm
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by Crossless1 - October 26, 2015 at 1:05 pm
Sin & Forgiveness - by miaharun - October 26, 2015 at 1:18 pm
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by Drich - October 26, 2015 at 1:20 pm
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by Kingpin - October 26, 2015 at 1:27 pm
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by Drich - October 26, 2015 at 1:18 pm
Sin & Forgiveness - by miaharun - October 26, 2015 at 1:29 pm
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by Kingpin - October 26, 2015 at 1:37 pm
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by The Grand Nudger - October 26, 2015 at 1:38 pm
Sin & Forgiveness - by miaharun - October 26, 2015 at 1:40 pm
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by Kingpin - October 26, 2015 at 1:56 pm
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by The Grand Nudger - October 26, 2015 at 2:03 pm
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by Kingpin - October 26, 2015 at 2:17 pm
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by downbeatplumb - November 15, 2015 at 6:04 am
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by The Grand Nudger - October 26, 2015 at 4:27 pm
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by robvalue - October 26, 2015 at 4:39 pm
Sin & Forgiveness - by miaharun - October 27, 2015 at 4:37 am
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by robvalue - October 27, 2015 at 5:06 am
Sin & Forgiveness - by miaharun - October 27, 2015 at 5:34 am
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by Angrboda - November 14, 2015 at 5:53 pm
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by Longhorn - November 14, 2015 at 6:31 pm
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by Catholic_Lady - November 14, 2015 at 6:31 pm
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by robvalue - October 27, 2015 at 6:03 am
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by The Grand Nudger - October 27, 2015 at 8:34 am
Sin & Forgiveness - by miaharun - October 27, 2015 at 8:57 am
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by The Grand Nudger - October 27, 2015 at 8:59 am
Sin & Forgiveness - by miaharun - October 27, 2015 at 9:13 am
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by The Grand Nudger - October 27, 2015 at 9:26 am
Sin & Forgiveness - by miaharun - October 27, 2015 at 9:46 am
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by Wyrd of Gawd - October 27, 2015 at 8:30 pm
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by The Grand Nudger - October 27, 2015 at 10:02 am
Sin & Forgiveness - by miaharun - October 27, 2015 at 10:18 am
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by dyresand - October 27, 2015 at 10:21 am
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by robvalue - October 28, 2015 at 4:22 am
Sin & Forgiveness - by miaharun - October 27, 2015 at 10:14 pm
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by The Grand Nudger - October 27, 2015 at 10:17 pm
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by ApeNotKillApe - October 27, 2015 at 11:20 pm
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by Catholic_Lady - November 14, 2015 at 5:17 pm
Sin & Forgiveness - by miaharun - November 15, 2015 at 12:40 am
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by Longhorn - November 15, 2015 at 6:55 am
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by The Grand Nudger - November 15, 2015 at 1:14 am
Sin & Forgiveness - by miaharun - November 15, 2015 at 1:40 am
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by Wyrd of Gawd - November 15, 2015 at 5:56 am
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by The Grand Nudger - November 15, 2015 at 2:10 am
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by robvalue - November 15, 2015 at 7:22 am
Sin & Forgiveness - by miaharun - November 15, 2015 at 9:15 am
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by robvalue - November 15, 2015 at 9:27 am
Sin & Forgiveness - by miaharun - November 15, 2015 at 9:28 am
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by robvalue - November 15, 2015 at 9:29 am
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by lisah - November 15, 2015 at 9:29 am
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by robvalue - November 15, 2015 at 9:34 am
Sin & Forgiveness - by miaharun - November 15, 2015 at 9:38 am
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by robvalue - November 15, 2015 at 9:39 am
Sin & Forgiveness - by miaharun - November 15, 2015 at 10:11 am
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by robvalue - November 15, 2015 at 10:50 am
Sin & Forgiveness - by miaharun - November 15, 2015 at 11:03 am
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by Drich - November 15, 2015 at 11:29 am
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by Wyrd of Gawd - November 15, 2015 at 4:54 pm
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by The Grand Nudger - November 15, 2015 at 4:58 pm
RE: Sin & Forgiveness - by robvalue - November 16, 2015 at 4:04 am

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