(October 24, 2015 at 8:54 pm)Delicate Wrote: On the matter of peripheral doctrines, nobody who I've seen moan about the diversity of doctrine even knows enough to draw a distinction between peripheral and core doctrines. Most atheists here, even the self-proclaimed "ex-Christians" are oblivious to the difference, some even after I've pointed it out. So what's my argument?
1) Nobody has explicitly invoked peripheral doctrines, at least from what I've seen.
2) But in the real world, the vast majority of doctrinal diversity is, in fact, peripheral.
C) So if these uneducated atheists are commenting about doctrinal differences, odds are, they are talking about peripheral differences.
So where does this leave us? As I've said, most atheists here are too uninformed to draw the core/peripheral distinction. If they're talking about differences in general, they are likely going to be talking about peripheral differences. If you want to suggest they are talking about core differences, where's the evidence for it?
Okay, I'm going to need you to stop the self serving bullshit please.
Aside from the glaring fact that you haven't defined how one can determine a peripheral doctrine from a core one, making this entire argument of yours nothing more than you attempting to define your way out of a problem by inventing a distinction and expanding and contracting it to fit every issue into a category you've asserted by fiat to be "not a problem," there's the simple fact that so many of the doctrinal differences we point out- or could point out, come to that- are so integral to christian theology that for you to wave them off as peripheral robs both of those (made up for convenience) distinctions of all meaning.
Seriously, I cannot believe that you're actually saying all this with a straight face, unless you truly consider the one and only "core doctrine," of christianity to be "there's a god." Just within my own family, there's christians who tell me I can get to heaven on the back of the good life I lead, and christians who tell me that no, I can't possibly get to heaven because I haven't accepted Jesus. Some of those christians disagree with the Ray Comfort style "if you've ever lusted, you're an adulterer to god," belief thing, whether or not there's demons, whether Satan legit acts in the real world, etc etc, and if you're going to stand there and actually tell me that the criteria that gets one into the afterlife, what god thinks, and what Satan does are piffling, no big deal, peripheral beliefs to christianity, then there's no other way to say it: you are a bigger dismissive, dishonest, passive aggressive debater than I've given you credit for.
So: Are you going to seriously tell us that the criteria for heaven and hell, and god's opinions on sin, are unimportant beliefs to christianity? Or can we just shut down this shitty argument of convenience you've cooked up to impugn those who dare disagree with you right here?
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