Evidence God Exists

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You can have him.

As a newcomer, I sometimes wonder why, at least amongst thinking people, is the argument re the existence of god still with us. Sure, for those who are so petrified by the thought of personal extinction that they will accept ANY alternative, the existence of god has GOT to be true.

I would suggest that, however intelligent the individual, if he/she has this inherent fear, then they have an infinite capacity to 'overlook' a logical postulate.

Points to consider:

If god has a plan, then he must be dissatisfied with the status quo. A dissatisfied deity???!!!

When this plan is fulfilled, then god will have moved from god A (unfulfilled) to god B (fulfilled).

Question: How does a god evolve when, by definition god is the ultimate and highest creation?

A much simpler and not very original one: If god is all knowing and all seeing, then why did he bother creating two people and giving them 'free will' (or as we call it in the UK - Hobson's choice!), when he knew the outcome of his experiment. Why make the poor buggers suffer from an innate weakness that god had programmed into them in the first place?

I'm not presenting the above as being new and groundbreaking arguments - but does fear really make believers ignore such obvious questions? innate appear


Hi AngelThMan,

The discussion on the involvement or non involvement of god in the welfare of individuals to me seems bizarre.

To you it seems based on one tenet, that god, as represented in the bible is a reality. Do you not question the massive contradictions that come into existence once such a claim is made?

I offered up some questions in my previous post and, as a perhaps relatively lightweight intellect, I still cannot get past these questions that may lead to the acceptance of the existence of the biblical god.

Adam and Eve were the victims of an inbuilt weakness that had been placed there by god. They were put into a no win situation in the Garden of Eden. They succumbed, as god knew they would.

So god introduced the concept of DEATH and, to my mind, this is where the control of mankind begins. No death = no fear = no real reason to believe in the supernatural that saves us from that extinction.

Death = fear of extinction = a desperate search for avoidance of this inevitability.

Enter............god ........with lifeboat!! Results = millions of takers who are willing to ignore or overlook the fact that the lifeboat captain dumped them into the sea in the first place.

The above is, to me a fiction and such events never occurred. However, to believers this is what they are accepting as real events.

Is death really so frightening?

I accepted Zen Buddhist precepts in 1983. Zen is a philosophy, not a religion. It does not believe in a deity, but in living in the present moment as much as possible - i.e. living life to the full with complete mindfulness.

Buddhism does offer the concept of rebirth - that our 'spark' or essence without our characteristics is passed onto a new body. I'm not so sure myself & the Buddha (if he existed at all) is said to have declared that you should believe nothing (not even what he said), without first proving it to yourself.

If eternity exists, it exists within us and when you still your mind, you may catch a glimpse of the stillness within. But, hell, that's just my take on it & I certainly would not start proselytising on something that may be something that happens in my mind and may not be real anyway.

It keeps me cantered and happy and I appreciate this life - which many believers don't seem to do. I also believe we should seek our own salvation and not hand it over to some outside agent.

ENOUGH ALREADY!! I can see many of you nodding off.