RE: Evidence God Exists
December 12, 2010 at 3:47 pm
(This post was last modified: December 21, 2010 at 5:19 pm by Thor.)
(December 11, 2010 at 1:35 am)AngelThMan Wrote: As I said on another post, Good things can happen to unbelievers, and bad things can happen to Christians. This does not disprove the existence of God, or the power of prayer.
We can't DISPROVE the existence of "God". How many times do we have to say this? We CAN, however, disprove the effectiveness of prayer. In fact, WE HAVE! http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/31/health....html?_r=1
Quote:You pointed to the 9/11 disaster to demonstrate that prayer doesn't work, since there must've been many Christians among those who died. But you're failing to acknowledge that while many people died, many others also got away.
Yes, many people escaped the disaster. And people like you see a plane crash where three people survive and 197 die, and point to the three people as evidence of "God's" miraculous powers.
Pardon me while I vomit.
Quote:And no, I don't believe everyone that got out did so because they prayed. But God answered those who did pray.
He did, huh? I have no doubt many people on the doomed airliners were praying. I guess "God's" answer to their pleas was, "No, you can have a fiery, violent death in a plane that disintegrates as it plows through a building." What a guy!
Quote:And others, including non-believers, got out because their time on this earth wasn't up.
This statement is a steaming pile of unsubstantiated bullshit.
Quote:I can tell you that some 12 members from one church in New Jersey who were supposed to be at the World Trade Center on the morning of 9/11 never made it for one reason or another. Some were out sick, others didn't make it because of car trouble, etc.
So what? I have no doubt there are people who had planned to be on one of those planes, or had planned to be in the WTC that day. But, for whatever reason, they were fortunate NOT to be there. This is a fortunate occurrence. What about the people who weren't so fortunate? What about the people who WERE there? "God" didn't think they were worth saving?
Quote:God has many ways of saving and protecting his people.
As he has demonstrated quite clearly throughout history... (plagues, earthquakes, tsunamis, volcanic eruptions, hurricanes, tornadoes, the Holocaust, etc, etc...)
Quote:So here's how it breaks down:
Thousands of believers got out of the WTC because they prayed.
And what evidence do you have to support this bullshit statement?
Quote:Others were protected by God, because he didn't allow them to even get to the towers that morning.
More bullshit. Evidence?
Quote:Of the believers that died, some, as you put it, may have not been true Christians.
Ah, yes... the "No true Scotsman" fallacy...
Quote:Others may have been true Christians, but prayed without faith. Even if a person is a good Christian, praying without faith will yield no results.
There's more bullshit here than in a cow pasture...
Quote:And of course there's the many believers who didn't take time to pray as they were too horrified.
So... because they were too horrified to pray, your deity didn't help them? You mean your deity didn't know these people wanted help?
Quote:I'm assuming that some atheists and unbelievers got out safely as well, but that's because their time on this earth wasn't up.
You're just pulling stuff out of your ass, aren't you?
Quote:The algorithm in God's work is very complex, and he sometimes uses unbelievers for his own reasons and purposes.
And you know this..... how?
Quote:Being a Christian does not put you in some sort of untouchable club. It's having true faith that will keep you protected.
Bullshit. Many people who have had "true faith" have died horrible deaths. I'm reminded of the Columbine massacre where one of the killers asked a student if she believed in Jesus. She proudly (or stupidly) said yes. The scumbag then gunned her down. Where was "God's protection" for her?
Quote:This is God's promise. However, if God feels that your time on this earth is up, then your time on this earth is up.
More unsubtantiated bullshit.
Science flies us to the moon and stars. Religion flies us into buildings.
God allowed 200,000 people to die in an earthquake. So what makes you think he cares about YOUR problems?
God allowed 200,000 people to die in an earthquake. So what makes you think he cares about YOUR problems?