RE: Evidence that God exists
March 3, 2009 at 6:33 pm
(This post was last modified: March 3, 2009 at 6:47 pm by fr0d0.)
(March 3, 2009 at 6:05 pm)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: my personal crusade is to keep religion out of science & government.You have my support
(March 3, 2009 at 5:59 pm)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: Or did you mean without a cause (the way I came to be) in which case it all makes perfect sense (or rather the bollocks I was taught did not).Both religious and scientific reasoning on the subject make sense to me.
(March 3, 2009 at 5:59 pm)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: Faith is by definition irrational ... as Dawkins puts it it is without evidence and often in spite of it.A silly statement by my OP then??
(March 3, 2009 at 5:59 pm)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: The very first step you take into belief without evidence is against reason IMO.The first step you take into belief with evidence, belief explodes in contradiction. Reason doesn't need evidence. You're doing it in your head all the time. Do you deny that too?
@ Mark:
I agree about the pope
Mark Wrote:There's equal logic in the whole story with a deity not at its center. And since the supposed deity has never shown himself or caused any known effects, what is the point of entertaining the possiblility of his existence, let alone wallowing in his worship?Silly point. God cannot be provable or all religions are wrong. You're another that clings to this strange idea.
Mark Wrote:"Enriching?" Well, many people find reading the Bible every day "enriching," but after you've read the whole thing once, anything further is a waste of time. There are many books besides that one that are much more deserving to be read. And which among the world's many religions would be "enriching" to study? All of them? Or do you suggest a particular one?The bible is incredibly complex. People have dedicated lifetimes to it and only uncovered a little. I think it's foolish to say that. There are also many many expressions of the phenomenon. All are valid IMHO.
Mark Wrote:Broadly, what is worth spending one's time on? I'm a USCF-rated chess master, and I find the study of the game, which is deep, to be enriching. But I wouldn't recommend it to everyone. Religion I would recommend to no one, since its a waste time to study what is transparently false.You're entitled to your opinion. You condemn it without ever seeing the logic of it (from what you said on your intro post). Chess, I'd suggest, being a fan myself, is a much narrower discipline, perhaps suited to a certain type of mind. What is it other than purely a challenge of logic? Religion, on the other hand, offers a full life. Doesn't seem much contest.
