RE: Afterlife vs Not
December 12, 2010 at 11:28 pm
(This post was last modified: December 12, 2010 at 11:54 pm by Malfader13.)
Quote:It is my understanding that an atheist dose not think there is any kind of afterlife
Quote:A little wrong there. Atheists in general do tend to reject any belief regarding an afterlife. However, being an atheist does not require the lacking of belief in spirits, ghosts or any sort of afterlife. An atheist is simply someone who does not believe in a god. Everything else is up for debate. Atheists do tend to reject any supernatural and accept the scientific like evolution.Yes, my misunderstanding, as noted in a reply to another poster. It is however illogical to believe in one unproven and yet believe in another unproven.
Quote: When the body dies it is game over, no consciousness, no sense what so ever that you or anything existed or even doesn't exist true "nothingness".
Quote:Mostly true. Though mentally we are gone, physically, we'll exist forever.Without the mental existence what dose it matter if the physical exists forever or ever did? A tree falls in the forest but no one is there to witness it, dose it make a sound? It doesn't matter if there was a tree.
Quote: All of human existence, in fact if astrophysics is correct, the entire universe will cease to exist.
Quote:Well I don't know about the entire universe going into non-existence. I reckon all the matter and energy that makes up this big and very dangerous place would always exist.One theory is the big crunch the other is the big fizzle. Matter crunches, and presumably another big bang and we get to debate this again until we are blue in the face. Or all matter, and energy disperse to the point of inertia. The matter may "exist" but in such a state that it may as well be nothing.
Quote:So, all that we humans accomplish will eventually vanish to this "nothingness" even if we happen to exist as a species to witness this ultimate demise.
Quote:Well, for the universe to come to it's ultimate end, it will take quite a few BILLION years! Don't know about you, but that seems long enough to me.Actually this and the next quote from my original are one thought. But as I said that is a very long way off.
Quote:Granted that is a very long way off in the future, if a rogue asteroid or deadly virus doesn't wipe us all out tomorrow.
Quote:Which is why it's very important to focus on science. The more we know, the more we can do to protect ourselves. Science can help us extend our lifespans to hundreds of years, stop berth defects, eliminate cancer, produce state of the art limbs and organs. It's endless. Science can improve all our lives to a huge extent. Religion likes to hold it back with delusion. I don't think religion is aware that science can give us an extremely long lifespan. We can delay the inevitable.
But, that trillion or five or ten will be up at some point and most likely the human race will be done long long before this. The current estimate is 13 billion years from beginning too now. Human existence in that time compared to a 24hr clock is not even one tick of the second hand. A long time indeed. But none of that time before mattered until consciousness observed it. If we develop the science to defend against every threat imaginable we can't possibly stop the degradation of the entire universe. When consciousness ceases weather we have religious myth or the highest science, all belief/knowledge ceases too. I do prefer a scientific approach, religion for the most part has done much damage.
Quote:I hope there is more to this existence than this,
Quote:We can create our own purpose. We have that ability. We can be as gods if we want. What I think is holding us back is our immeasurable stupidity, like religion for example. We are holding ourselves back. That's the problem.I agree, I create my own purpose daily, see the poem "Invictus". However I am afraid I cannot see how we can be as gods. Clinical immortality, control of our environment, populating the edges of the universe, all of these yes. But this too shall pass.
Quote:But, no consciousness has come back from the other side to tell me different,
Quote:It's because there is no 'other side'. We made that up to feel safe. To feel comfortable in the deluded belief of endless existence.
To me, to say definitively, there is no "other side" is saying we know all things already. There are far to many things we have discovered through science that were thought laughable if not totally insane through the ages to make such a statement. But that is my opinion, your are of course welcome to yours.
I am afraid I still have not received an explanation from science as to why my grandmother was able to clearly describe exact details of a room full of people and events when she was extremely ill saying she saw it all from outside of her body. Evidence of consciousness separate of the body. And I have no reason to think my grandmother would lie.
(December 12, 2010 at 5:11 pm)Rhizomorph13 Wrote: To the OP:
Do you value the day you spend awake?
How is that possible when you know that you are going to go to sleep at the end of the day?
Why bother getting out of bed?
Yes. Sleep is nice. I have shit to do.
Whats your point of these questions?
Sorry have to go to bed, there are others I have replies too and questions for. I will get to them asap. Great discussion so far. Thanks to all for the input.
