(March 3, 2009 at 3:59 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Can you give an example of something I'd have to ignore because of faith?I don't I could, I'm not sure? Because after all if there was something and I happened to find it how could I prove it anyway? And how could I be sure I've got it right?
I just mean that often because of their "faith" creationists often, for example, don't believe in evolution (because they believe it contradicts the bible).
But I couldn't absolutely prove even that of course!
And I don't know whether I could give an example for you personally because I don't fully understand your beliefs yet, and your "changeable" religious views (I don't know if the "changeable" bit is serious or not yet either).
After all you won't present them that much on this thread, because it would be OT.
EvF Wrote:I just understand faith as belief without evidence. So how is faith logical? What do you do if your faith doesn't fit with the evidence so you are out of touch with reality?
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Faith doesn't work with evidence. Faith has to be without evidence.
Thanks very much for noticing the mistake. I didn't notice it myself. It was a total typo and you corrected it totally accurately. I of course meant WITHOUT.
Quote:Faith doesn't require me to be out of touch with reality.
I guess not necessarily PERHAPS. Because I guess it's possible to believe in something despite the lack of evidence and then the evidence happens to come in later; and you can then realize you had been in touch with reality all along.
But while you are believing without evidence, despite the fact you might happen to correct - the problem is your reasons and irrational. To believe without evidence is not a very good way to believe because how are you deciding what belief without evidence to choose? How does it come about I mean?
With evidence its consistent because you believe something when there is evidence that helps show that that something probably is real after all, for example.
Without evidence, there are many many things that have no evidence, loads of things you can dream up, so how can you rationally believe in things without evidence? What other rational alternative REASON to believe is there?
I think it is genrerally a delusion to believe in something without evidence. Maybe that that belief might be in fact correct. But what good reason is there to believe without evidence? What stops you from being very often wrong and simply believing in nonsense?
Not to mention with RELIGIOUS faith in particular in a God who almost certainly doesn't exist, or gods that almost certainly don't exist.