(October 28, 2015 at 6:37 pm)Constable Dorfl Wrote:(October 19, 2015 at 1:49 pm)Qwest Wrote: "In God We Trust" MUST mean Christianity, right? There is no other religion in the world and ALL of the founding fathers were Christians (NOT).
Yes it is actually, the "in god we trust" was inserted under Eisenhower's regime, one of the periods in US political history which most disregarded the first amendment in favour of christian triumphalism. A president true to the original intent of the constitution would have kept "E pluribus, unum".
Moreover, the requests were put to congress during the Red Scare, when anything other than appearing super-Christian meant being "suspected of Communism", by the Knights of Columbus, a Catholic Christian organization, for the express purpose of putting Christian wording into the Pledge and the Motto (which goes on the money).
Next year, we will reach the point where the Pledge has said "under God" for as many years as it existed without it. I have always found it supremely ironic that the phrase "under God" literally divides where it used to say "one nation indivisible".
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
