RE: Are all atheists this ill-informed about religion?
October 29, 2015 at 2:14 pm
(This post was last modified: October 29, 2015 at 2:16 pm by TheRocketSurgeon.
Edit Reason: PUNCTUATION, damnit!
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(October 29, 2015 at 1:33 pm)alpha male Wrote:(October 29, 2015 at 1:20 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: Ok so Alphamale objects to making health care affordable for all.
Not at all. But, that's frequently not the result of Obamacare.
Example: employer with fewer than 50 employees doesn't feel like negotiating for health insurance. So, he lets employees buy their own, then reimburses them for it. Sounds fine, right? Well, the ACA made this illegal and punishable by a fine of $100/employee reimbursed/day. Yep, a fine of $36,500/year for reimbursing an employee's health insurance.
But, that same employer isn't required by the ACA to offer health insurance. So, he stops reimbursing, and the employees are worse off than before.
I'm not making this up. I work in small business taxation and have seen this happen. It's crazy.
ETA: See for yourself: https://www.irs.gov/Affordable-Care-Act/...rangements
I happen to agree that the ACA is crazy, but not for the reasons you think. The original proposal, of a system akin to that in England and Canada (and the entire rest of the First World), was shot down by people allied with lobbyists for the private insurance system.
The ACA is the result of many compromises, and winds up a something of a chimera; even though it has done a lot of good, there is still a huge amount wrong with it. I would have been surprised if such a political compromise had come out otherwise, especially since it's such a huge bill and so many competing interests were deliberately trying to undermine the entire thing.
When you place profits of private companies over the health of your people, you get this kind of thing. Some think that it's "necessary" for it to be that way, but I find that most people advocating for such a position are one of three things: healthy enough that they think they don't need to pay into a system which they think they won't need for years on any serious level, wealthy enough that they don't have to worry about insurance coverage, or have turned Capitalism into a quasi-religion and think that the free market can solve problems when the product is not a matter of choice but necessity (the Invisible Hand does not work when people MUST have the product, and there are an effectively limited number of suppliers of said product- healthcare and medicine).
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I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.