(October 29, 2015 at 2:55 pm)paulpablo Wrote: You presumed I presume that all science is physical and not spiritual. I never said that.
But science deals with testable explanations and predictions.
The science of spirituality is fully testable.
The only thing that differ from physical science is that the testability is individual.
What you "earn" belong to you and stay with you.
The material things on the other hand can be transferred to other so they are visible.
I am sure that in the near future new technologies will be able to scrutinize individual consciousness
and see the difference between the one who practice spirituality and the one who doesn't.
Quote:There are many things that were unobservable that are now observable.
Sure, give time and many more things will be available for scrutiny.
In the meantime those who work hard for real progress will advance while those who wait and wait for things to happen will get nowhere.
Quote:If you or anyone else can show predictions and tests they have done with spirits they can scientifically express these results. All you have to do is simply show the tests and experiments you have done with spirits then use your findings to make reliable predictions about the none physical world
In the past saints use to be represented in paintings with an aureole or aura above the head.
In those times there was no technology to understand whether someone was a saint or not.
The presence of someone spiritually elevated can be perceived without any technology.
A tamasik person (bad people) would absolutely hate to be in the presence of someone elevated.
The bad vibration of a tamasik person would suffer terribly in contact with positive vibration.
There is no need to tell the bad person that an elevated person is close to him-her or the other way around.
The two different vibration act as signal, they perceive the opposite vibrations so they tend to take the distance from each other.
The bad person would keep well away from places where people do meditation and people engaged in spirituality would never go in a pub or similar tamasik places.
Quote:I have no idea how a person would begin to study things which aren't physically there, and to make predictions about spirits, I don't really think you have either, so I remain an atheist until you or someone else can prove to me they have made testable reliable scientific
Considering your attitude i am afraid Pablo that you will wait for ever.
Consciousness is an abstract entity.
There is nothing physical.
You don't make predictions, there is no need for.
It is all about an idea.
When you think that after fighting and struggling all the time you are getting nowhere a simple idea come in your mind.
And that idea make you think that there got to be something better than this.
From here on everything is revealed and the way to proceed is unfolded.
Quote:You were the one who said science can't observe everything, now you contradict that by saying science can observe the spiritual.
That's the contradiction I'm pointing out.
Wrong again Pablo for no paying attention to what i did write.
I said physical science is not able to solve all the problem especially the biggest and main problem that
concern human being such as peace of mind.
Quote:Its my opinion that if spirits and non physical things can be observed and tested they can become subject to scientific experimentation.
As i already said in the beginning it is quite possible that sooner or later new technologies will be able to
perceive the consciousness but that will not be an easy task as consciousness is an abstract entity.