(October 30, 2015 at 11:20 am)alpha male Wrote:(October 30, 2015 at 11:10 am)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: It's not that the robot was programmed to do everything; it's that the programmer knew the robot would develop this murderous tendency as a part of its AI. If the programmer knew that, and built this robot that way, then he would be responsible for its actions, not the robot.To whom would he be responsible? The analogy is inaccurate. The human is the creator god in the analogy, so he should be the only human. Their are no children for the robot to kill, or parents of those children to demand accountability.
Way to miss the point entirely. Or maybe you didn't; maybe you think humans are incapable of holding God morally accountable for the design of this universe/world. But using your example, if the human told the robot it had to be destroyed because it had merely followed its programming, the self-aware robot would be right in thinking the human was an asshole.
(October 30, 2015 at 11:20 am)alpha male Wrote:Quote:There's no way around the basic fact that saying "Obey me or else, because I am more powerful than you are" is immoral behavior by any being, even your concept of God.
Judging by the meat aisle or insecticide aisle in the local store, that's what we humans do with other species. So, by your own standards, we're immoral. Why should we not then be judged?
We don't tell the animals "obey me or else". We simply eat them or keep them off of our crops/out of our homes. I don't kill my dog when he doesn't obey me, if he's just doing dog stuff; I might be upset that he pooped on my floor despite the fact that I told him not to, but if I lock him in the house so that he really has no choice in the matter, then the blame is on me, not him. If we consider Genesis a literal story, then placing the untouchable Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil right in the middle of the garden (the only place they can go) where they constantly have to be tempted by it, and waiting for them to be "tricked" (or not) into eating from it so you can punish them for their disobedience is insane and capricious. I might as well shoot my dog because I left a box of doggie treats out and he ate them.
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I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
