(October 30, 2015 at 10:14 am)alpha male Wrote: No, I understand one of several problems with the omniscience precludes free will position.
That's an oversimplification of the problem. Omniscience alone doesn't preclude free will. What precludes free will is an omniscient creator. By creating a Universe with full knowledge of every event that will ever unfold in that Universe, Gaud makes himself personally responsible for every event that follows from the act of creating the Universe.
Even if your hypothetical Gaud didn't introduce evil or suffering into the system he created, he did create the beings that are responsible for suffering and evil, so the responsibility for those things still traces back to Gaud.
Quote:Neither are we, if we don't have a single thought or action of our own.
This is a baseless assertion that does not logically follow. Computers do not carry out their own thoughts or actions, and yet they are real things that exist.
Verbatim from the mouth of Jesus (retranslated from a retranslation of a copy of a copy):
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42)
Also, I has a website: www.RedbeardThePink.com
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42)
Also, I has a website: www.RedbeardThePink.com
