Are all atheists this ill-informed about religion?

[Redbeard The Pink]

Yep my response to the knowledge vs free will argument is always I knew you where going to say that.  And then ask them if they had a choice to say it anyway.

Again, this ignores the fact that Gaud doesn't just know what will happen, he's also responsible for the existence of all the agents that execute those happenings and is therefore the only being with the power to prevent or change anything those agents might do (by choosing not to create something, for example).


Again, I go to the robot example. If I create a robot and it glitches out and kills a bunch of people, but there was no way for me to know it would do that, then I wouldn't necessarily be responsible for anything the robot does.


If, however, I know the robot can or will eventually glitch out and do this (even if it wasn't expressly programmed to), and I still build the robot and change nothing about its programming, I become directly and personally responsible if that glitch activates and people die.


So either Gaud created the Universe with free will and can therefore be surprised by it and is therefore not omniscient, or all of space-time is the inevitable result of Gaud's singular action of creating the Universe with exact knowledge of how it would unfold, meaning that at best he is personally responsible for all actions, and at worst all actions are really only one action (Gaud's), and we are mere results of that action with no agency of our own.