RE: Here's why Creatards might be right
October 30, 2015 at 4:50 pm
(This post was last modified: October 30, 2015 at 4:51 pm by TheRocketSurgeon.)
Jenny - I've been trying to get some work done before the weekend, so I apologize for my intermittent participation in this.
Perhaps this will help you understand. You keep asking how, if not for an intelligence, the particles can interact as they do.
Turns out, it's what's called an "emergent property", meaning that based on the type of particle and how many of them there are, they interact in various ways. You can see a chart of the various types of sub-particles, here:
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It's how we knew there would be a Higgs Boson (the so-called "God Particle") to create the attraction of gravity, even before we found it. The mathematical balance of the sub-particles that make up matter as we know it required that there be one, even though we'd never found it.
You are asking why each particle was assigned the particular values it has, under which values it interacts with the other particles in the ways that they do. Our question is, why must it be assigned?
There is no, repeat no, reason to think that the particle values are anything but random values, and the universe we see anything but the result of those random value-settings as they turned out to be, randomly. Different settings would have made for a different universe, in which the beings in that universe (if any) would be arguing about how "something had to design" the settings to be just-right for them.
Perhaps this will help you understand. You keep asking how, if not for an intelligence, the particles can interact as they do.
Turns out, it's what's called an "emergent property", meaning that based on the type of particle and how many of them there are, they interact in various ways. You can see a chart of the various types of sub-particles, here:
It's how we knew there would be a Higgs Boson (the so-called "God Particle") to create the attraction of gravity, even before we found it. The mathematical balance of the sub-particles that make up matter as we know it required that there be one, even though we'd never found it.
You are asking why each particle was assigned the particular values it has, under which values it interacts with the other particles in the ways that they do. Our question is, why must it be assigned?
There is no, repeat no, reason to think that the particle values are anything but random values, and the universe we see anything but the result of those random value-settings as they turned out to be, randomly. Different settings would have made for a different universe, in which the beings in that universe (if any) would be arguing about how "something had to design" the settings to be just-right for them.
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I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
